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    There is a hole that is tapped for a 3/8 male flare fitting on the bottom of the waterpump just below the heater hose outlet. Can someone tell me what its for and where it goes to. Thanks. Just about got it in the Bird

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    I'll have to look at mine again when I get back home. I don't remember there being two ports on my original '60 T-Bird pump. Maybe yours is a core off a Lincoln 430cid?

    -Jon in TX.
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    • #3
      Water Pump Help

      I've checked 6 430 pumps and they all have the threaded hole for the heater hose fitting, and on the opposite side there is a threaded hole for the generator adjusting arm, no other openings except the two main water passages and the bypass fitting. Can you provide a photo?
      Carl

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      • #4
        I took a couple of photos but have no idea how to get them to you. It must be the pypass, but I dont know where it goes.
        Claude

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        • #5
          Hey Claude,
          Go to like you are going to post a comment. Scroll down to manage attachments. Click on that and it will pull up a small screen. Click on choose file and it will ask you where from. Pull up file and hit upload. These can only be a certain size to post!
          Richard D. Hord

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          • #6
            Richard, I have nothing that says manage attachments. The only thing I can find is the insert image icon. The posting rules box says I cannot post attachments. Am I in the wrong window, or just looking in the wrong place?
            Claude

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            • #7
              Hey Claude,
              I sent you a PM.
              Richard D. Hord

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              • #8
                Xolyman's WP pictures

                These are from Claude:

                "The photo is taken looking up from under the car. The red hose is the heater hose coming
                off the left side. the tapped hole I am talking about is directly below that. It’s the one with
                the flare nut.
                Claude"


                Last edited by simplyconnected; January 30th, 2010, 11:37 PM. Reason: annotated for Claude
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                • #9
                  Thanks for posting those pictures simplyconnected ....
                  I have sent a PM to you Xolyman....

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                  • #10
                    I checked the ports on the water pump on my 430 - they are like Carl said. The heater hose connection is on the left side, about 45 deg. toward the left side from the top. There is no port on the bottom of the pump other than the intake for the pump. The pix don't show the water pump intake - where is it? Also, I don't understand the piping going across the front of the engine - any idea what it is for? As I recall you took a 352 out and put the 430 in your car. Where did the 430 come from? Could it have been modified for some other use and now has a custom water pump? Are you sure it is a 430?
                    Last edited by Howard Prout; January 31st, 2010, 02:06 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Howard Prout View Post
                      ...The heater hose connection is on the left side, about 45 deg. toward the left side from the top. There is no port on the bottom of the pump other than the intake for the pump. The pix don't show the water pump intake - where is it?...
                      Howard, it's all there. Remember, he took this picture from the bottom, pointing straight up.

                      His heater hose is right next to the oil filter, on the LH side of the engine. You can't see the water intake because there is a lower radiator hose on it (look at the bottom picture).

                      I suspect those other lines may be for transmission cooling.

                      Claude, when you follow the bottom WP steel line, the one in question, where does it go? (I'm afraid to say what I'm thinking.) Certainly, you should be able to follow it somewhere. - Dave
                      My latest project:
                      CLICK HERE to see my custom hydraulic roller 390 FE build.

                      "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
                      --Lee Iacocca

                      From: Royal Oak, Michigan

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                      • #12
                        I bought this car in buckets and boxes, The engine and trans came on a pallet. I do not know what it is out of, but I think it may be a Lincoln. No motor or trans mounts, no linkages of any kind (made my own). The car was torn down so far the interior and trunk and the top was gutted. they (he) went so far as to take the squirel cage off the heater fan motor. Its been a real mess. It was dissasembled more than any restoration I have ever saw. I have got it running and moving and stopping on its own now. I am missing a lot of parts that were supossed to be there. I thank all who have helped. The two lines are the trans cooler lines. outlet is on the top right and the inlet is below the heater hose in the pic. My ford parts guy could not find any waterpump with a 3/8 fitting on the pump bottom in his books. He suggested I plug it. I did and the pump made a weird noise so I connected it to the Water port on the back of the intake manifold. I think on some cars (lincolns) the heater is routed through that. The other heater hose is on the top right. No other outlets. I think it may be a thermostat bypass. By the way its a two speed forward trans.
                        Claude

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                        • #13
                          One other thing, the only time water comes out is when the engine is running. Comes out under pressure. Doesnt even drip when not running. I am almost positive its a 430, I have looked at a lot of pics of them and they all look the same. Thats what the guy I bought it from said it was. The Ford guy said the 3/8 hole may have been a bypass for a rad. grille flapper. Wish I knew. Got most of the wiring back in.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by xolyman View Post
                            One other thing, the only time water comes out is when the engine is running. Comes out under pressure. Doesnt even drip when not running.
                            Water comes out? Out of where? Is it leaking out? Explain.

                            Where is your temp sensor? I would like to see a lot more pictures of your engine. Let's see where all your hoses and tubes are going. I may be wrong (and I hope someone corrects me because I don't have a 430), but it would be wrong to take water from your water pump and run it to the back of your heads.

                            Water flow starts at your pump, goes through the block, and comes up your heads and into your intake manifold. The thermostat is the last place water exits. Bypassing the block will make the engine overheat.

                            That heater hose on your water pump is a (cold) return line. The hot side should come from the top of your intake manifold, somewhere just before the thermostat. That's how the water pump can move heater water before the thermostat opens. - Dave
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                            "We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
                            --Lee Iacocca

                            From: Royal Oak, Michigan

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                            • #15
                              If this picture is taken from beneath the engine and those are oil pan bolts I see along side the oil filter, my guess is that you're looking at a Lincoln motor with the Crankshaft mounted power steering pump. I've yet to see a water pump mounted on the crankshaft, are these pictures of a water pump or something other.

                              Please take another look at the engine and confirm if this is a crankshaft mounted pump.
                              Ken
                              1959 J Convertible
                              1960 J Hardtop

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