Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

A Squarebird Oddity?!

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • A Squarebird Oddity?!

    I am posting part of an email that I just received from John Rotella of the Tbird Registry. It regards a 1959 Tbird that is being offered for sale. I think I just saw this on CraigsList last night and wondered about this strange thing. I will post some pictures of this Tbird and you can see the cover that someone, either at the plant, or after that, put over the Heater/AC Control on the center console. And the cover over the blower hole in the engine compartment. This is a reply to Frank, a potential buyer of this Tbird. As you will see, John said that Wixom never made a "heater deleted" Tbird.
    "Hi Frank

    Well to be really accurate, it is actually a 1959 Thunderbird without the optional heater. Ford never made a "heater delete" Thunderbird. Starting in 1962, the heater/defroster became standard equipment, and unlike other Ford products of the day, the delete option was not offered on Thunderbird or Lincoln.

    Anyhow we really do not have accurate information about how many were made with or without any particular option, but in my opinion, 98% were built with the optional MagicAire Heater.

    I would say that the firewalls were all built with the heater hole in place, and that a cover was used for non-heater cars like this one. The wiring was likely part of all firewalls, too. But I really do not know for sure. As far as the dash plate it is hard for me to see it very good. And likewise I believe a dash cover would have been used as it would have been more cost-effective to build all of the consoles with the heater control hole.

    I know of only one other Square Bird without a heater, it is in the Rochester NY area and it was originally sold in California. I am copying my friend Ray Clark about your car, he moderates a Square Bird Forum so maybe he has some input.

    BTW the 3-speed manual transmission does seem to almost "validate" the non-heater situation, as far as what a potential buyer may have chosen. But of course the two items are not dependent on one another.

    Best Regards,
    John Rotella Ė Director of LOVEfords
    www.lovefords.org

    Frank R. van Vliet wrote:
    Good Morning,
    I am looking at a 1959 Thunder Bird which has the original 300HP 352 C.I. V8, 3 speed on the column, 9" with 3.70 gears, it has apparently, the heater delete option. This is a Texas car and it is pretty plain, so not have heat is possible. Data plate info: Body(63A)color(GE)trim(6X)date(11E)trans(1)axle(3). I donít have the build data and I am not sure if this is a factory installed delete, or if this is an aftermarket attempt at removing the heater. Note that the blower wires appear to be there which is making me suspicious. With that said, can you provide your opinion as to whether or not the plat in the engine compartment and the cover in the dash look to be factory correct? I sold my Square Bird several years ago and Iím very interested in getting another, and I like the uniqueness of this one. Thanks for your help.
    Frank.

    Frank R. van Vliet, MBA"


    I have told both John and Frank that this looks like someone's after market idea. Neither the center console cover, or the engine well cover look professionally done to me. Look at the engine well blower motor cover close up... What say you?



    Attached Files
    Last edited by YellowRose; August 23rd, 2009, 04:39 PM.

    Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
    '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
    "It's Hip To Be Square"
    Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

    Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

    http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

  • #2
    Heater Delete

    The firewall cover probably looks "ragged" because of the sealer oozing out around it. The console blank-off plate looks to be the correct design, but an off-center shot would show how the plate is slightly depressed from the outer rim of the cover. I assume when you're looking at an upstate NY car you're thinking of Bill Kurrasch's '59? If so both items look like what was in his car when I photographed it at the VTCA Int'l. in Toronto in '88 (which William Wonder got from me to use in his book), but I've been wanting to get better pics for use in the '58-'60 OFS for some time.
    Alan H. Tast AIA, LEED AP BD+C
    Technical Director/Past President, Vintage Thunderbird Club Int'l.
    Author, "Thunderbird 1955-1966" & "Thunderbird 50 Years"

    Comment


    • #3
      A Squarebird Oddity?!

      Thanks, Alan, for your observation! We are always pleased to see you comment on things of this nature because of the vast amount of knowledge and experience you have. So, it appears that this might be a one of a kind car. A '59 Tbird without a heater... It is to bad that we do not have good records of every Squarebird made. The Broadcast sheet would probably state that it was manufactured without a heater, but that ROT sheet has not been found that I know of. If the gentleman should buy this Tbird, I am going to encourage him greatly to see if he can find that Rot/Build/Broadcast sheet to see what it says. I certainly hope the pictures I posted here will give you the better shots you have been looking for. Not having seen pictures of the NY Tbird, this is the first I have heard about a Tbird produced without a heater. I am going to get my WW book out and see if I can find those pictures!
      Last edited by YellowRose; August 23rd, 2009, 05:16 PM. Reason: Additional comments.

      Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
      '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
      "It's Hip To Be Square"
      Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

      Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

      http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

      Comment


      • #4
        Something else to consider is on other Ford models (non Tbird) of that period what is done to the motor inlet and outlet water ports for the heater delete car? (block off plate - hose crimped - hose plugged?)

        Is the same thing done to this motor on the heater ports?

        Eric
        registry 5347

        Comment


        • #5
          A Squarebird Oddity?!

          This Tbird is a one owner Tbird that has been in the family since new. It is located in North Texas. It was not on CraigsList, but is on eBay and is currently still for sale. Here is the Item #200376238835 There are a fair amount of pictures there, but none of the engine bay showing that cover. There are a couple of more pix of that Heater/AC cover through not as good as the one posted.

          Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
          '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
          "It's Hip To Be Square"
          Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

          Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

          http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

          Comment


          • #6
            Just a quick note, cars, including Tbirds, were manufactured without heaters but it was a relatively small percentage. That percentage however usually included all cars destined for places like Hawaii, Panama, the Phillipines etc... It may not seem like that would cover too many but remember that many military officers wives tooled around in expensive cars while stationed in foreign countries and Hawaii was also a place where Tbirds were very common. As far as a heater delete, there never has been a "heater delete option" that is just a common description. Heaters were either optional or standard. If they were standard then there was no delete and if the were optional then a delete was not an option. Most people refer to it as an option because you usually had to actually order a car to get one that wasn't built with a heater. Hawkrod

            Comment


            • #7
              As Ray mentioned and the ebay description says:

              "This car was bought brand new in San Antonio,TX. It is a numbers matching car. It has been in the family since new,it probably as close to an original as you will get."

              Should the Horn Ring Center Emblem (Medallion) not to be white instead of black on this '59?
              see picture
              Attached Files

              Comment


              • #8
                Hey Guys,
                I have requested a photo of the firewall from the owner. They sent me a email and are going to try to send it to me. I will post it when I get it!
                Richard D. Hord
                sigpic'60 Thunderbird "Christine"
                Registry #33436

                Comment


                • #9
                  A Squarebird Oddity?!

                  Hi Marco, Yes, as I recall, the center medallion of the horn should be white for a '59. And the power seat knob, if it has power seats, should be white also. The '58's should be black. Mine is black because my white one broke and Bird Nest did not have any white ones at the time.

                  Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
                  '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
                  "It's Hip To Be Square"
                  Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

                  Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

                  http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Well guys they were nice enough to email me the pictures of the firewall, and here they are!!!
                    I sent him a thank you for sending me the pictures and told him that I was with Squarebirds and that we were discussing the no heat option. Guys if you know someone that needs a good Thunderbird heres one to jump all over. She is a very nice Thunderbird!!!
                    Richard D. Hord
                    Attached Files
                    Last edited by Richard D. Hord; August 25th, 2009, 07:17 AM. Reason: added comments
                    sigpic'60 Thunderbird "Christine"
                    Registry #33436

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Pretty sure the '59 horn ring center is black. White was '60 only. Mine is original to my knowledge...
                      Attached Files
                      sigpic
                      Mike Lemmon
                      '59 Raven Black Hardtop

                      http://www.tbirdregistry.com/viewdat...tryNumber=2461

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        The center medallion for 58 and 59 are black. 59 had black gunsight medallions to match. I exchanged my black one for one out of a 60 that was in much better shape than mine. Thunderbird Headquarter's catolog also lists 58 & 59 as black.
                        Victor
                        59 HT, White on the outside, red and white in the middle.
                        Registry# 33154

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I realy like that Green / White seats!
                          sigpic..."Lil darling Ruth"
                          http://www.tbirdregistry.com/#33158

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            A Squarebird Oddity?!

                            I was wrong about the horn insert. It shuld be black, according to the VTCI OFS, as is the background for the '58-'59 gun sights for these two years.

                            Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
                            '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
                            "It's Hip To Be Square"
                            Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

                            Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

                            http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Richard D. Hord View Post
                              Hey Guys,
                              I have requested a photo of the firewall from the owner. They sent me a email and are going to try to send it to me. I will post it when I get it!
                              Richard D. Hord

                              Me too.

                              BTW, did anyone else notice the newer air cleaner assm. & wrong master cylinder cap?
                              Last edited by tbird430; August 25th, 2009, 03:42 PM.
                              sigpic
                              The 1960 Ford Thunderbird. The WORLD'S most wanted car....

                              VTCI Member#6287.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X