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  • #31
    Rob's 1960 non AC 430 to AC Install

    Thanks, John. I think he has enough room to get to the nut and loosen it. I will let him know what you said. He is not greatly into using a computer much, so I do a lot of the posting for him...

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    • #32
      61 and later Thunderbirds with AC had a PS reservoir on the inner fender. Perhaps these parts could be used?

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      • #33
        Rob's 1960 non AC 430 to AC Install

        Thanks, Joe! I passed that on to Rob and the pic. John ~ jopizz, would this work on Rob's 430MEL engine, or is the PS reservoir for the 430 different? Here is what Joe said and the pic...

        "Picture shows the remote reservoir and stock 63 AC compressor. May be a possibility for Rob as Ford used similar PS pumps for many years."
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        • #34
          It would definitely work as the pump is the same. The parts shouldn't be too hard to find used. However it's probably a lot of extra work considering how seldom the fluid would need to be checked.

          John
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          • #35
            Rob's 1960 non AC 430 to AC Install

            Thanks, John! I passed that onto Rob, and he was already thinking about how he was going to handle that situation. I suggested that he try taking that nut off, and see if he can check his fluid level. If so, without it taking to much, he will probably just leave it a lone. If it is a problem, then he has something to really think through about it. As you said, it is probably not going to be to often that he will need to check it, and he is considering that also. Thanks for confirming that this looks like it would work if he wanted to go that route....

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            "It's Hip To Be Square"
            Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

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            • #36
              He can't use lid from post #16 of this thread?
              59-430-HT

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              • #37
                Rob's 1960 non AC 430 to AC Install

                Henry, he said there is about an inch or slightly less between the top of the reservoir and the bottom of the mounting bracket. It MIGHT fit in that gap right to the left of the bracket where you can see the top of the cover, but he would have to try it... I will send him the pic, and see if he wants to give it a shot... Here is that pic from post 16.
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                • #38
                  Rob took some pix of the space between the top of his PS reservoir and the AC mounting bracket. Here is what he had to say.

                  Hello Ray, Poor photos but I do have about one inch of space to take off the top so I think I am in good shape but I need to make sure that I can open, fill and shut it. Will do that this weekend. Best wishes, Rob."

                  Here are the pix...
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                  • #39
                    That looks tight. Why not move the compressor bracket closer to the center of the block, or make the bracket higher, providing there's space in between the hood. I believe mine is the same set up, or very similar, but I have loads of space. You can see pictures on Our Rides with mine.

                    Chris.....From OZ.

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                    • #40
                      Rob's 1960 non AC 430 to AC Install

                      Hi Chris, thanks for that information. I took a look at that pic and I can see what you are saying. I am not sure if your AC is OEM or a CAA "Perfect Fit". In any case, his being a non-AC Tbird, I gather that by having to use that adapter mounting bracket I found for him, to mount to the CAA mounting bracket, that moved the whole system out further than what yours is. Or it might be because Rob has a 430MEL in the engine bay and you have a 352? I will send that picture to Rob, though and post it here also. What is your installation, OEM, or aftermarket, and if aftermarket, which company? Here is what Chris is speaking of...
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                      • #41
                        My Air con is O.E.M. The compressor is after market, & yes mine is a 352ci. However, you can tell when comparing the two, mine seats about 2" higher. Having said that, I don't know if it has anything to do with it being a 430ci block.

                        Chris.....From OZ.

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                        • #42
                          Rob's 1960 non AC 430 to AC Install

                          Thanks, Chris. I thought that was probably an aftermarket compressor. To nice and shiny to be old! BTW, Rob says he is going to see if he can get his top off, and top of his fluid level while at it. He is asking what brand or type of fluid to put in it? He has no idea what is in it already...

                          Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
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                          "It's Hip To Be Square"
                          Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

                          Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

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                          • #43
                            The same as the Automatic transmission oil.

                            Chris....From OZ.

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                            • #44
                              Some time back, Rob and Don said they would put together an overview of what they experienced in working with, and installing the Classic Auto Air "Perfect Fit" aftermarket AC kit into Rob's '60 430MEL Squarebird. Don has provided me with his commentary on it, which I shared with Steve and CAA this morning. Steve said that he will certainly look into any shortcomings and see what can be done to fix those problem areas in the future. Here is what Don had to say.

                              A/C kit...how cool is that?

                              This summer I had the pleasure of working with Rob and Bea McLellan this past summer installing a air conditioning kit from Classic Cars.

                              The (CAA) Representative and square bird expert (Me, I gather!) was instrumental in accomplishing the task. We had many challenges ahead of us the biggest was to find a bracket for the compressor. Very few 430 engines came with A/C.

                              Although the kit was made for the chassis no hardware was included for the support of the hoses. At least half of the time spent was on making brackets and getting the correct screws.

                              The kit did not include wire connectors or tie straps.

                              The supporting bracket for the rear of the in-dash unit was too short.

                              All of the sheet metal screws were too short along with other wrong sized fasteners.

                              No switch was provided or even mentioned that would allow the AC compressor to be shut off independently of the blower motor.

                              The adapter collar for the defroster duct was the wrong size.

                              We had missing nuts for the heater hose pipes but had no trouble reporting to the kit company and having them sent to us.

                              The fan switch had to be modified and the instructions did not cover this.

                              As a professional auto technician working with "Add on kits" I would rate this on a scale of 1 to 10 as a 5.

                              I can speculate that over the years there have been changes due to suppliers that no longer make the fasteners and what was thought to be an suitable replacement was not vetted.

                              I hope this report helps not only manufacture of the kit but gives insight into the challenges faced by the installers.

                              Don Reid ASE Master and Volvo expert technician.

                              Steve agrees that the problem of incorrect size or length of parts, missing parts might have been caused by losing or changing parts providers over the years and they will certainly check into that, and other points brought up... Overall, I can tell you that Don and Rob are very pleased (last I heard) with the results of the install and the great cooling it is providing after test driving it several times. Rob has not had a really good opportunity to get the Bird out on a typical Texas hot day, because of the season, but he will be able to do so in a few more months. I think the expectation is that the AC Kit is going to do the trick and keep them nice and cool during the Dog Days of Texas heat!




                              Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
                              '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
                              "It's Hip To Be Square"
                              Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

                              Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

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