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  • 1960 Squarebird Daily/Monthly Production Info

    For those who may not know it, I happen to possess a complete copy of the daily/monthly/total production figures for the 1960 Squarebird ONLY.. Unfortunately, my source was not able to obtain that information for the previous years, or the years after 1960. I can pinpoint to the day when your 1960 Tbird went down the production line. If you are interested, let me know by email or PM...

    Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
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    Hello YellowRose; I would like to know ? YIN# 0Y71Y191678 63AN5209W43 1960 TBird

    Thanks
    Garth

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    • #3
      1960 Squarebird Daily/Monthly Production Info

      Hi Garth, I will need your Data Information underneath the VIN # on your data plate. I will get back with you after Christmas, but send that information to me, please.

      Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
      '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
      "It's Hip To Be Square"
      Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

      Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

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      • #4
        Originally posted by YellowRose View Post
        Hi Garth, I will need your Data Information underneath the VIN # on your data plate. I will get back with you after Christmas, but send that information to me, please.

        Ray: My guess would be that he already gave it but not separated . ( 63A - N - 52 - 09W - 4 - 3 )

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        • #5
          1960 Squarebird Daily/Monthly Production Info

          Martin, LMBO... Yesss! I was asleep at the switch on that one! I have it. Thanks for waking me up!

          Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
          '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
          "It's Hip To Be Square"
          Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

          Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

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          • #6
            Originally posted by YellowRose View Post
            Martin, LMBO... Yesss! I was asleep at the switch on that one! I have it. Thanks for waking me up!
            No problem Ray , I know you have a lot on your plate.

            A Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year to you and Yours !

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            • #7
              1960 Squarebird Daily/Monthly Production Info

              According to the Production Numbers, Garth's 1960 Tbird was made on the 6th of September, 3 days away from the shutdown date of the 9th. Garth, I sent you an email, so please let me know if you received it. I sent it through the system to the email you registered with. I will save that info until I hear back from you.

              Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
              '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
              "It's Hip To Be Square"
              Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

              Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

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              • #8
                1960 Squarebird Daily/Monthly Production Info

                Over the last several weeks, I have run the 1960 Squarebird Daily/Monthly Production Data against a number of our members 1960 VIN #. Several of those are also in possession of their ROT/Build Sheets! (actually titled the Production Broadcast Ticket, but many of us have called it the ROT (Rotation) or Build Sheet for decades). They were able to tell me the Date on that form so I could compare it against the production totals. Out of the 3-4 owners with the ROT/Build Sheet, ALL but ONE turned out to be built on the exact date printed on that sheet! Although their Data Plate Date was off by several days after that date... The ONLY ROT/Build Sheet that was off by 1 day belongs to Eric ~ DKheld. His ROT/Build Sheet has 08 18 on it. His Data Plate is stamped as 25H (25 August). However, according to the production data, by the end of the 18th they had not made his Tbird yet. His VIN # is 86,576, and at the end of the 18th of August, they had produced 86,232 Tbirds, 344 short of his 86,576 number. But on the 19th, they ended that day with 86,729, 153 Tbirds beyond his 86,576 VIN #. I do not know the reason for this 1 day delay, unless there was a production line problem, or they had to re-stock parts. So far, as I have said, of the number that I have checked who have their ROT or Build Sheet, the date on that sheet matches the totals for that Date in the Daily Production Data... Except for Eric's... Unfortunately, the very few contacts I had with FORD Wixom Plant Production Line workers have all passed away now.

                I assume that management had full knowledge of the day-to-day productions numbers, the number of Tbirds they were going to build each day and the number they were short in producing or over producing. The daily production numbers listing I have show the number Scheduled for each day, and the number Produced. Usually, they were ahead of schedule by 1 or 2 to perhaps 10-20 or so cars. Occasionally, they were behind by a few cars. So they printed out the right number of ROT/Build Sheets to provide the line manager with so he would know how many to make each shift. I also assume that if they needed a few more sheets, they could print them out and get them to the line.

                However, the Data Plate was a different situation. At some point along the way, they made a certain amount of them with the "estimated" date they would go down the production line on them.. Probably more than they needed for each shift. What they did not use on one shift, they would use on the next. It was probably more costly to stamp out a bunch more plates than it was to print out that flimsy ROT/Build Sheet. It seems to be the ROT/Build Sheet that indicates exactly which date the car was actually made on. I will post a copy of Eric's Rot/Build Sheet so you can see the 08 18 date and the Sched. Date of 25H (August).
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                Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
                '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
                "It's Hip To Be Square"
                Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

                Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

                http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

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                • #9
                  Ray,

                  Thank you, Thank you, Thank you !!!!!!

                  Very interesting - should have known if there was a glitch it would be with my car - it seems to be a "malfunction magnet".

                  Hummm - wonder if that explains the '61 intake manifold (C1AE....) on my engine - maybe that's the glitch - ran out of intakes and had to use the manifold for the next year model. Car was bought new by my Dad so as far as I know all the major parts are original and I've seen a few more '60's with a '61 intake manifold.

                  I must have been on the bad list this year because I didn't get the time machine from Santa - was going to go back and investigate.
                  Oh well - maybe next year - HA!

                  Thanks again Ray !!!

                  Eric

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OUR5T8BIRD View Post
                    Ray: My guess would be that he already gave it but not separated . ( 63A - N - 52 - 09W - 4 - 3 )
                    Ray: Looking at this data info again, there must be a mistake on Garth's production date , post # 2 . Probably should be " 09H " ( August ) not W .

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                    • #11
                      1960 Squarebird Daily/Monthly Production Info

                      Hi Martin, no, it appears his Data Plate is correct. Here is the sequence of events on the 1960 Squarebird production. Production started on September 8, 1959, the first year of production. So H would have been stamped on those Data Plates made in September, 1959. Production ended on September 9th, 1960, with that Month being the 2nd Year of production for the 1960 Squarebirds, hence the W, as seen on Squarebirds made in the 2nd year of production during the month of September, 1960... It gets confusing since Eric's Tbird was made towards the end of production in August, 1960, (which was the FIRST month of production for that month!), being the 86,576th Squarebird made out of 92,843 made in 1960, nearly at the END of 1960 Production. ALL 1960 Tbirds produced during the second month of September, in 1960 were coded as a W, since production started in September, 1959 as an H. Of the 1960 Squarebirds produced with near ending production serial numbers, in the 2nd month of September, all that I have seen were coded on the ROT/Build Sheet and Data Plate as a W. Case in point...

                      Greg Prince's 1960 Ford Thunderbird Hardtop has been certified as being the very last Squarebird off the production line for the 1960 production run. Data plate info: #OY71Y192744 (#92,744). Body:63A, Color:Z, (Light Gray Metalic ~ Sales Name Platinum) Trim:76, (Black/Light Gray) Date:13 W, Trans:4, Axle:3. 13 W was scheduled for the last day of production. However, as previously noted, management made the decision to shut down on 9 September. There are a number of Squarebirds out there with production dates beyond 09 W on them, like his... And like Garth's, 91,678, scheduled for production on the last day on 09 W, September, 1960, but when I ran the numbers on his serial number it comes up as having been made on the 6th because they were ahead of production. If he has found his ROT/Build Sheet, that should tell him the actual build date.

                      I am aware that there are some discrepancies in the 1960 Daily/Monthly Production Data that was supplied to me. For whatever reason, there were a missing daily report for several dates in the report. For Oct. 3, 1959, a Saturday, IF there was Saturday production, the report was missing. On Oct. 17, 1959, another Saturday, there were 240 cars scheduled, but not a one was made according to the data. So there may not have been any production at all on that date. On Nov. 9, 1959, Monday, there is a Report Missing listed for that date. On Nov. 16, 1959, another Monday, there is another Report Missing listed for that date. On February 12 & 13th, a Friday & Saturday, there are no Tbirds scheduled or produced those two days (or he was not provided the records for those dates). In March, 1960 no production was scheduled for Saturdays. The same applies with April, with the addition that on Friday 15th, they were also shut down for some reason. In May, they were also shut down on production on Saturdays, except on Saturday, the 21st, they produced 442 Tbirds. On May 30th, a Monday, there was another Report Missing. During June, 1960 there was no Saturday production scheduled. In July, it really gets strange. On July 1st, there is scheduled production for 427 Tbirds to be built with 457 actually built. Then from July 5-17 there are no indication of any Tbirds being scheduled or built AT ALL... I do not know if the Reports are Missing, or for some reason, they had shut down... But on the 18th, they are back in full production again producing some 20+ Tbirds a day over the number scheduled. In August, there is no Saturday production scheduled. In Sept. 1960, they completed production and shut down the line on the 9th, instead of the 13th. According to the various records

                      Phil Skinner of Kelley Blue Book fame was able to obtain this Data for me from friends at Ford back in 2010! He is aware that the sub-totals do not always match up correctly, and that he may be missing some days of data. He was trying to see if he could correct that. I need to get back with him about that.

                      Over the years, there have been some discrepancies in the total numbers of 1960 Squarebirds produced. Wiki, Automotive Mile Posts, and the VTCI and others have always listed it at 92,843. For some reason, Hemmings lists it as 92,456, and Tbird.org at 90,843 (which I think is a typo on the 90...) The consensus seems to be that the official total is 92,843, which IS the number, as I recall, that Phil Skinner gave me that he was provided by his friends at Ford...

                      Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
                      '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
                      "It's Hip To Be Square"
                      Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

                      Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

                      http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by YellowRose View Post
                        Hi Martin, no, it appears his Data Plate is correct. Here is the sequence of events on the 1960 Squarebird production. Production started on September 8, 1959, the first year of production. So H would have been stamped on those Data Plates made in September, 1959. Production ended on September 9th, 1960, with that Month being the 2nd Year of production for the 1960 Squarebirds, hence the W, as seen on Squarebirds made in the 2nd year of production during the month of September, 1960... It gets confusing since Eric's Tbird was made towards the end of production in August, 1960, (which was the FIRST month of production for that month!), being the 86,576th Squarebird made out of 92,843 made in 1960, nearly at the END of 1960 Production. ALL 1960 Tbirds produced during the second month of September, in 1960 were coded as a W, since production started in September, 1959 as an H. Of the 1960 Squarebirds produced with near ending production serial numbers, in the 2nd month of September, all that I have seen were coded on the ROT/Build Sheet and Data Plate as a W. Case in point...

                        Greg Prince's 1960 Ford Thunderbird Hardtop has been certified as being the very last Squarebird off the production line for the 1960 production run. Data plate info: #OY71Y192744 (#92,744). Body:63A, Color:Z, (Light Gray Metalic ~ Sales Name Platinum) Trim:76, (Black/Light Gray) Date:13 W, Trans:4, Axle:3. 13 W was scheduled for the last day of production. However, as previously noted, management made the decision to shut down on 9 September. There are a number of Squarebirds out there with production dates beyond 09 W on them, like his... And like Garth's, 91,678, scheduled for production on the last day on 09 W, September, 1960, but when I ran the numbers on his serial number it comes up as having been made on the 6th because they were ahead of production. If he has found his ROT/Build Sheet, that should tell him the actual build date.

                        I am aware that there are some discrepancies in the 1960 Daily/Monthly Production Data that was supplied to me. For whatever reason, there were a missing daily report for several dates in the report. For Oct. 3, 1959, a Saturday, IF there was Saturday production, the report was missing. On Oct. 17, 1959, another Saturday, there were 240 cars scheduled, but not a one was made according to the data. So there may not have been any production at all on that date. On Nov. 9, 1959, Monday, there is a Report Missing listed for that date. On Nov. 16, 1959, another Monday, there is another Report Missing listed for that date. On February 12 & 13th, a Friday & Saturday, there are no Tbirds scheduled or produced those two days (or he was not provided the records for those dates). In March, 1960 no production was scheduled for Saturdays. The same applies with April, with the addition that on Friday 15th, they were also shut down for some reason. In May, they were also shut down on production on Saturdays, except on Saturday, the 21st, they produced 442 Tbirds. On May 30th, a Monday, there was another Report Missing. During June, 1960 there was no Saturday production scheduled. In July, it really gets strange. On July 1st, there is scheduled production for 427 Tbirds to be built with 457 actually built. Then from July 5-17 there are no indication of any Tbirds being scheduled or built AT ALL... I do not know if the Reports are Missing, or for some reason, they had shut down... But on the 18th, they are back in full production again producing some 20+ Tbirds a day over the number scheduled. In August, there is no Saturday production scheduled. In Sept. 1960, they completed production and shut down the line on the 9th, instead of the 13th. According to the various records

                        Phil Skinner of Kelley Blue Book fame was able to obtain this Data for me from friends at Ford back in 2010! He is aware that the sub-totals do not always match up correctly, and that he may be missing some days of data. He was trying to see if he could correct that. I need to get back with him about that.

                        Over the years, there have been some discrepancies in the total numbers of 1960 Squarebirds produced. Wiki, Automotive Mile Posts, and the VTCI and others have always listed it at 92,843. For some reason, Hemmings lists it as 92,456, and Tbird.org at 90,843 (which I think is a typo on the 90...) The consensus seems to be that the official total is 92,843, which IS the number, as I recall, that Phil Skinner gave me that he was provided by his friends at Ford...
                        You got me on the production that late in the model year Ray. Of the 150 or so '60's listed in my directory, I have nothing with a production date with a ' W ' . Was of the understanding that the months went from " A " to " M " with ' I ' not being used . There must be another reason for the use of the " W" that late in the production year . The highest number I show has a production date of " H " which is August 1960 of course and " J " being September .

                        As for the total production for 1960 , I have the Model year for 1960 from Ford " Automotive Assembly Division, General Office "
                        showing total production quantity as 92,843 .
                        Body type 63A , 2 Dr. hardtop as 78,447 ; Body type 76A , convertible as 11,860 ; And Body type 63B , 2 Dr. Golde Top as 2,536 . ( Yes, on paper it shows the Gold Top as " 63B " )

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by OUR5T8BIRD View Post
                          You got me on the production that late in the model year Ray. Of the 150 or so '60's listed in my directory, I have nothing with a production date with a ' W ' . Was of the understanding that the months went from " A " to " M " with ' I ' not being used . There must be another reason for the use of the " W" that late in the production year . The highest number I show has a production date of " H " which is August 1960 of course and " J " being September .

                          As for the total production for 1960 , I have the Model year for 1960 from Ford " Automotive Assembly Division, General Office "
                          showing total production quantity as 92,843 .
                          Body type 63A , 2 Dr. hardtop as 78,447 ; Body type 76A , convertible as 11,860 ; And Body type 63B , 2 Dr. Golde Top as 2,536 . ( Yes, on paper it shows the Gold Top as " 63B " )
                          It is confusing. I always assumed that First year of production indicates cars built in 1959 (Sept-Dec; J-M) and Second year of production indicates cars built in 1960 (Jan-Sept; N-W). Obviously that's not correct as Eric's car with that serial number was built in August of 1960 and not 1959.

                          John
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                          John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator

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                          • #14
                            Here's a copy of the ROT from the first Squarebird I ever owned. It appears to have been built in August of 1960 also. I can only assume that any cars built after August of 1960 got the W date letter and were considered "second" year of production.

                            John
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                            John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator

                            Thunderbird Registry #36223
                            jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

                            http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jopizz View Post
                              Here's a copy of the ROT from the first Squarebird I ever owned. It appears to have been built in August of 1960 also. I can only assume that any cars built after August of 1960 got the W date letter and were considered "second" year of production.

                              John
                              See what you are saying John . So ' second ' year would be exceeding a 12 month year of production or start to finish and could overlap the '61 model year production start in the case of the 60's to complete the orders for the 1960. It was a big year with over 90,000 orders . Then all the Lincolns mixed in with the Birds . Busy times at Wixom .

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