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    Mary ~ mvd011244 has been a member for about four years and owns a 1960 Convertible Tbird. She emailed me to say that she needs some help. Hopefully, those who have been down this road before will be able to tell her where to place those hash marks. Here is what she said.

    "I want to put my rear quarter ornaments (hash marks) on my car, the previous owner filled all of the holes, and painted it. I have no idea where to correctly place them now. I do not know why he did that but he did. I also had to hunt the ornaments down. Thanks for any help you can give."

    Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
    '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
    "It's Hip To Be Square"
    Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

    Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

    http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

  • #2
    one ebay auction Finished last night with a set of hashmarks but sometimes they are on ebay for a reasonable price.
    the link to the finished auction is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1960-...item27bd2d13ee

    I know it doesn't do any good now but keep this seller in mind, he has a variety of Tbird parts for sale frequently for very reasonable prices. I bought from him several times and got more than I bargained for.

    Anyway I understood that Mary already has the hash marks anyway.
    If you remove the side panel inside the trunk than you can see the inside of the fender panel. Maybe you can still see the original holes. When people close of the holes to make them invisible from the outside they usually do not do the same on the inside and you might still be able to see where the holes where.
    Otherwise I have to measure the location where my hash marks are put I need a reference point from where to where I have to measure. From the bumper to the hashmarks or from the top of the wing and from the rear? let me know.
    But you should be able to see something from the inside.
    regards,
    Ron
    sigpicGreets,
    Ronald
    Kuusamo
    http://www.tbirdregistry.com/viewdat...tryNumber=1741

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    • #3
      The hash marks have three different part numbers because of the different curve from front to back. I believe the holes are also spaced farther apart on the last three or four. Hopefully Mary has a complete set.
      John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator

      Thunderbird Registry #36223
      jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

      http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

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      • #4
        some measurements

        Here is a picture with some measurements
        Attached Files
        Regards,
        Don Vincent
        Amherst NY
        1960 HT 352
        TBird Registry 34042

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        • #5
          Chrome Hash Marks Placement

          Hi Don! Thank you for posting that picture! I am going to "borrow" it and put it in the Technical Resource Library (TRL) so that if the question comes up again, they will find the answer there. Thank you for taking the time to research it and measure it all out for Mary. I will send her an email and tell her to check it out. With what you gave her, she certainly should be able to get those hash marks back on the car.

          Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
          '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
          "It's Hip To Be Square"
          Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

          Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

          http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

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          • #6
            On the hash marks at what point did they change from screws to the nut type?
            My Golde has the screw type it's an early 60 and has the smooth roof trim. Did these two pieces go together?
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            • #7
              Chrome Hash Marks Placement

              Richard asked when the change from screw on type rear chrome hash marks and the smooth chrome C-Pillar molding was made. According the the VTCI Official Factory Specifications (OFS) (don't have one? Get one!) the factory made the switch from screw on type rear chrome hash marks to speed nut fastened hash marks in mid-December 1959, early in the production run. The same thing applies to the smooth chrome C-Pillar molding to the ribbed version.

              I also noticed that they changed from a single screw on the headlight door at the top with a V clip at the bottom to a two screw arrangement, top and bottom later in the production run. The OFS did not say when they made the switch, except to say that early 1960 production cars had the one screw/V clip arrangement.

              Here are a couple of pix from the OFS.
              Attached Files

              Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
              '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
              "It's Hip To Be Square"
              Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

              Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

              http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

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              • #8
                I have a complete set for a 60. You might get lucky and take out the interior side panels in the trunk. If they just bondo'd over the hole, you could back drill them...
                "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow - what a ride!"

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                • #9
                  1960 430 AU photos

                  From side view, see that you have chrome piece around tail lights going up rear of fin. Could you please post photos showing more of chrome around tail lights. My 60 is similar color and like to see more of how chrome would look.

                  If did it, would not chrome original pieces. Get slavaged parts for that.

                  Thanks
                  Bill

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                  • #10
                    Hey Bill,
                    Here is a rear picture of Richard's Thunderbird! Richard, I hope you do not mind me borrowing your pic
                    Richard D. Hord
                    Attached Files
                    sigpic'60 Thunderbird "Christine"
                    Registry #33436

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                    • #11
                      Now that saved me posting a pic thanks Richard

                      Bill here's a couple more
                      Attached Files

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                      • #12
                        Thanks for pictures. Do like the look of it. Something to ponder for the 60.

                        Off original topic... am wondering how tail light pannel and rear of Tbird would look if after chroming; the raised bars of squares were painted black and insides remained chrome. Opposite of normal. Have extras to chrome over Winter. Could paint them that way. Hmmm...

                        Thoughts - Comments ?
                        Bill

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                        • #13
                          Chrome Hash Marks Placement

                          Mary ~ mvd011244 sent an email to me. Here is what she had to say.

                          "Thank you so much for putting my dilemma out there and a great guy answered it great. There was another post about some of the hash marks being a different size, and holes different, I have the stud type with snap nuts, not the screw type. Does that hold true?

                          I haven't got them mounted yet, but they will be this week coming up. We just got the top working, now for weatherstripping, that's the big one. We replaced both exhaust manifolds and so far, so good.
                          Thanks again.
                          Mary
                          PS Lots of stares and thumbs up signs when we take it out. Nothing like a squarebird, yeah!!!!!!!"

                          Mary, hopefully the guys who own '60 Tbirds can answer your question. I do not know if the screw on type are different in size or the holes are different. I would open the trunk, take off the driver and passenger side panel covers and see if you can tell where the holes were. If you can, put your chrome pieces up against the holes and see if the holes in the chrome pieces match up with the holes in the side panels. If they do, I would say you have the right type chrome pieces. But then comes the tricky part. Drilling the holes through the paint job without messing it up. I think someone mentioned using tape over the paint to help prevent that, but I will like to see some of our really experiences people respond to this.

                          Ray Clark - Squarebirds Administrator
                          '59 Tbird "The Yellow Rose Of Texas" aka "Tweety Bird"
                          "It's Hip To Be Square"
                          Thunderbird Registry #33025 VTCI #11178

                          Contact me via Private Message for my email address, or (Cell) 210-875-1411 (Home) 210-674-5781

                          http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

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                          • #14
                            The stud type hash marks have three different part numbers; C0SB-28984, C0SB-28985 and C0SB-28986. It's been awhile since I replaced them, but I believe the first five closest to the front of the car are the 28984 part number; the next two are the 28985 and the last two are the 28986. If you compare them you will see the difference in curve and stud separation. Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm incorrect. I'm going by the picture in the parts manual.
                            John Pizzi - Squarebirds Administrator

                            Thunderbird Registry #36223
                            jopizz@verizon.net 856-779-9695

                            http://www.squarebirds.org/picture_gallery/TechnicalResourceLibrary/trl.htm

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                            • #15
                              Thats right there are 3 diff ones. The fender gets rounder near the back. I read somewere that the ones with screws were mounted closer together or more towards the back. Have to see if I can find that.

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