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    I am going to chrome the "bird" ornament just forward of the hood, two pieces of the driver side mirror and the hood "scoop" which is pot metal. I received 2 quotes here in Northern Ca. One was $225 and the other $400. Both seemed high. Does anyone have a good, reasonable chromer contact? Shipping for those parts probably wouldn't break the bank.
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    Ray had once refered me to a shop in AZ that I have used several times for smaller and mailable items. I have been satisfied with their service and quality.

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    • #3
      Have you considered new, reproduction pieces? Any chromed potmetal I have bought is first rate.

      Also see elsewhere a thread on spray on chrome.
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      • #4
        Contact www.archerchrome.com! They were at the swap meet last year in Louisville Ky. I looked at some of their work and it looked awesome. They even do pot metal and had some pieces there to show before and after!
        Richard D. Hord

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        • #5
          The retail price on this 1960 hood bird is around 40.00, but is listed at not concourse quality. You might consider this rather than the rechrome or the repaint route.
          Carl

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          • #6
            Martin there are some valid points made to the repro parts especially the emblem, as they are quite nice. The mirrors and hood scoop are a different matter and if you can get them rechromed ( quality finish ) for under $225, I would say go for it. Anytime you can get three (3) pieces rechromed ( again quality finish ) for about $75.00 a piece that's a good thing. I had the front / back bumpers, hood scoop, headlight plates and the valve covers done for $1500 two years ago and they turned out great.Just a suggestion, if your are getting the hood scoop chromed ( I would suspect for added accent ) have you considered your head light plates as well
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            • #7
              Thank you for the suggestions and contact information, I will send pictures off to them tonight. Here are the items I wanted re-finished. I have a Harley and did alot of re-chroming last year. I had my primary, transmission and rocker covers done as well as lifter blocks, belt guard, coil and battery cover done for $500. This bird stuff represents about 1/5 of that conservatively. So I figured no more than $150. Of course prices here in Ca. never stop going up!
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dan Leavens View Post
                Martin there are some valid points made to the repro parts especially the emblem, as they are quite nice. The mirrors and hood scoop are a different matter and if you can get them rechromed ( quality finish ) for under $225, I would say go for it. Anytime you can get three (3) pieces rechromed ( again quality finish ) for about $75.00 a piece that's a good thing. I had the front / back bumpers, hood scoop, headlight plates and the valve covers done for $1500 two years ago and they turned out great.Just a suggestion, if your are getting the hood scoop chromed ( I would suspect for added accent ) have you considered your head light plates as well
                Thanks Dan...I'm trying to make Angelina a little different which is why I am only chroming the hood scoop. Wait until you see the color of the paint being done!
                I tell ya...doing one of these cars, you end up being a contractor, interviewing people and weeding out the BSers. I'm not complaining too much. I'm really having a blast! The painter/body guy is allowing me to do grunt work on the car for him. He said with me helping it should take 2 weeks longer...
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                • #9
                  Chrome question

                  All my chrome was done by Southwest Chrome in San Antonio. 210-658-8087. Tell them that you know me if you call them and remind them I am the guy with the '59 yellow Tbird. Their prices are quite reasonable and they have things done pretty fast. I have had things chromed for others outside the US, and I think they have been pleased with the results. I will tell you though, that chroming pot metal is problematic, and they told me so. I went through three air scoops to get one chromed that would fit and it still does not fit that well, but it is on. Also, the curved tail pieces in the rear are hard to chrome also. One of mine bent during chroming, but I was able to get it on. Keep that in mind.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by YellowRose View Post
                    One of mine bent during chroming, but I was able to get it on. Keep that in mind.


                    YIKES!!! I think a little too much heat or current at the chromers.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by YellowRose View Post
                      All my chrome was done by Southwest Chrome in San Antonio. 210-658-8087. Tell them that you know me if you call them and remind them I am the guy with the '59 yellow Tbird. Their prices are quite reasonable and they have things done pretty fast. I have had things chromed for others outside the US, and I think they have been pleased with the results. I will tell you though, that chroming pot metal is problematic, and they told me so. I went through three air scoops to get one chromed that would fit and it still does not fit that well, but it is on. Also, the curved tail pieces in the rear are hard to chrome also. One of mine bent during chroming, but I was able to get it on. Keep that in mind.
                      Well, you were right. Mine came back a little tweaked and the chrome on the underside of it did not want to take. It looks "ok" but that's it. Pot metal melts just over 700 degrees and apparently has a lot of stress built up in it. I am assuming that the plating process releases that stress either through heat or with the electrical current flowing through it.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 60 T-Bird View Post
                        ...I am assuming that the plating process releases that stress either through heat or with the electrical current flowing through it.
                        Au contraire, electroplating is done under water, so the temp never reaches anywhere near boiling (212*F).

                        Any serious heat is caused outside the plating tanks, either by the polishers or sand blasters. Pot metal is easy to plate but it takes a lot of labor to do properly.

                        partsetal is right about repops being much cheaper than stripping, drilling rot out, copper plating, filling holes with lead, metal finishing, copper plating again, buffing to a mirror finish, nickel plating, and finally chrome. If any of the middle steps comes out wrong, more copper plating and buffing. So, plating is easy. A good chrome shop will guarantee their work for ever, and if you aren't satisfied, they will redo it until it's right. That's how my chromer works. This business of ruining or losing parts is totally unacceptable. Avoid those guys at all cost.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by simplyconnected View Post
                          Au contraire, electroplating is done under water, so the temp never reaches anywhere near boiling (212*F).

                          Any serious heat is caused outside the plating tanks, either by the polishers or sand blasters. Pot metal is easy to plate but it takes a lot of labor to do properly.

                          partsetal is right about repops being much cheaper than stripping, drilling rot out, copper plating, filling holes with lead, metal finishing, copper plating again, buffing to a mirror finish, nickel plating, and finally chrome. If any of the middle steps comes out wrong, more copper plating and buffing. So, plating is easy. A good chrome shop will guarantee their work for ever, and if you aren't satisfied, they will redo it until it's right. That's how my chromer works. This business of ruining or losing parts is totally unacceptable. Avoid those guys at all cost.
                          I agree totally...He did my Harley last year and the job was good. But this one part was 2 weeks late and a crappy job. I sent and received it through the mail. He just lost the business for the interior trim items.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 60 T-Bird View Post
                            ...But this one part was 2 weeks late and a crappy job...
                            The deal is... plating companies inspect the work BEFORE they agree to do it. If you aren't satisfied, call him and send it back! Make him do it right for the money you already paid (it ain't cheap).

                            'Swallowing' bad work isn't acceptable, either. What would happen if you needed that part for a job you are doing for your customer? C'mon, this is business.

                            I saw a hood ornament re-done for a late 40's Pontiac. The detail was terrible. Chief Pontiac's face was all polished off, the side lines were gone, and the whole part was ruined. The point is, they plated it anyway. That's the difference between a good professional plating shop and a bunch of idiots who ruin parts. Maybe that's why some parts get 'lost'.

                            The polish room should be larger than the plating room. Professional polishers are true craftsmen, and I love to watch them work. The guy hefts a Cadillac bumper and polishes it on a huge belt sander by hand without putting 'belt edge' lines in the part. Smooth, round, corners are very tricky. The next piece he picks up might be an emblem bezel or hood bird. The skill is in knowing when to stop polishing. Polishers laugh at me because I can't do it as well. I gladly pay them to do my work. - Dave
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                            • #15
                              Rechrome pot metal

                              My 2 cents worth.

                              The nose bird buy the repro piece. The hood scoop is pot metal and prone to warping during the stipping and plating process. If you get a reasonable price you unfortunately will get what you pay for. Make sure you have more than one hood scoop as it may take 2 or 3 to get a good one done.

                              I have not seen the repro mirrors but in order to redo yours the old finish will need to ground off and in all likelyhood most of the detail will be lost.
                              I would suggest at least lookin at the repro first.

                              Good Luck
                              Fuz
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