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YellowRose
10-29-2010, 02:03 PM
George Bahto ~ GGB313 happens to own a 1960 430MEL Tbird Convertible with a working Tri-Power Carb on it! He probably has the only Tbird with a Mercury Super Marauder installed. He said they only made about 80 units and the Merc racing team wrecked most of the racing cars. At one time he owned about 7 of these units. The Lincoln guys bought most of them (an easy fit). He said he has never seen one on a T Bird. He would love to talk to someone who had done the conversion - you have a few under-hood modification that need to be made. A guy is re-manufacturing the air cleaner for about 3G and the fuel pump distribution unit is about $800. You should see pix of his beautiful red convertible! What a dream car this is! Here are some engine pix. I think one of them was taken before he had the car painted.

YellowRose
10-30-2010, 06:59 PM
Not being an avid golfer and not having played the game in many, many years, I did not recognize the relationship between George Bahto and golf! Besides being the proud owner of one of the best looking '60 Tbird (and possibly the ONLY Mercury Super Marauder) Tri-powered Convertibles in the world, he is famous for something else. Those of you who are avid golfers might have recognized him as the excellent designer, re-designer and architect of some of the most famous and toughest golf courses around. Some of which you probably have played on and muttered to yourself, wondering who it was who designed this course as you drove into the umpteenth sand trap in a row!:D For those who recognized the name, and those, like me, who did not, let me introduce you to him. For further enlightenment, please read this.

http://www.golfobserver.com/blog/blognews/Jaystakeongolf/2009/11/20/georgebahto

Dan Leavens
10-30-2010, 07:26 PM
Ray I have played Brandon Dunes in Portland ( which he had a hand in ) and I can vouch for how nice a track this really is. If anyone is in the area certainly look it up and book early, as it is a very popular course .

63-4drpost
04-30-2011, 11:56 AM
thanks for the pictures. i did not realize the carbs were situated so that each is at at different height! God am I stupid!! . I thought they all used a cut-off carb like the tripower 390's.Thanks again.

KULTULZ
01-26-2012, 12:58 PM
i did not realize the carbs were situated so that each is at at different height!

The MEL OEM SUPER MARAUDER 3 X 2 intake manifold carb pads are all on the same plane. The carbs used were from 2V engine applications (notice full air horn and their overlapping of the fuel bowls).

http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=3718&stc=1&d=1288371575

This carb did not have external float adjustments. The outboard carbs used vacuum motors to open themselves whereas the later FE used mechanical linkage.

The cut-off style 2V HOLLEY (It has a series number) was introduced on the 61 FORD 390FE/401HP.

The SUPER MARAUDER 3 X 2 option was released for the 58 MERC (Bill Stroppe). LINC also ordered sets for it's car line(s). LINC never assembled (other than maybe a prototype) an actual 430 3 X 2 and these assemblies were then sold to MERC and also offered over the counter as a kit.

The cast rocker cover is unique to MERC only. It was an option to the option. The engine came through with stamped steel rocker covers painted gold. A chromed MERC rocker cover could be ordered. LINC 3 X 2 came through with plain rocker covers painted black. A plain chrome rocker cover was available as an option.

Supposedly, the 59 BIRD had an offering, but there is no data to be found. It seems if the option was available (either assembly or over-the-counter), it would have been offered through Holman-Moody I would think as FORD was honoring the AMA ban on racing.

The LINC setup had a plain cover air cleaner assembly. I would think FORD would have used this (and the LINC rocker covers) rather than the MERC setup.

This is mostly conjecture on my part and until I can access an early HM catalog is not verified.

KULTULZ
02-02-2012, 07:34 AM
Here is a referring URL showing different engine dress option(s) between the 1958 MERC and LINC 3 X 2 option-

http://ford-mel-engine.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&p=1654

You can see that the LINC option is Plain Jane and would more likely be released as a BIRD option over the MERC dress (IMO).

ggb313
03-14-2012, 10:44 PM
63-64drpost said:

" thought they all used a cut-off carb like the tripower 390's.Thanks again."

Hah - I thought they were cut off for easier dis-assembly during an adjustment or repair p shows you what I know :p

KULTULZ
03-15-2012, 04:55 AM
63-64drpost said:

" thought they all used a cut-off carb like the tripower 390's.Thanks again."

Hah - I thought they were cut off for easier dis-assembly during an adjustment or repair p shows you what I know :p

The SUPER MARAUDER 3 X 2 400HP engine used regular production 2300 HOLLEY Series carbs of the time.

The later FE 3 X 2 used a modified 2V HOLLEY (2300-C) for fitment (and had to be reversed mounted to fit) on the intake manifold.

http://www.hptrends.com/JR3.jpg

Here is a pic of a FORD/HOLLEY 2300C as used on the 61/ FE TRIPOWER.

http://www.ford6v.com/images/sleeved26f%5B1%5D.jpg

This carb series offered external fuel level adj and many other features.

KULTULZ
03-31-2012, 03:31 PM
(The) LINC 3 X 2 came through with plain rocker covers painted black.

:o

Incorrect. The 58 LINC came through with Yellow rocker covers. Black was assembly correct from the 1959 model year to 1966 (462 in FORD Corporate Blue).

Chromed stamped steel rocker covers were available as an accessory.

352tb430
04-02-2013, 09:22 PM
For what it's worth (nothing)...a short story re. a 430 Super Marauder. In 1973 at the VTCA national meet in Dearborn, a young (relatively, I was 24 at the time) member (I can't recall his name offhand; may have it in an old VTCA roster somewhere) from Baltimore drove a ratty multi-colored '59 430 TB convt. to the meet. I compared notes with him about his 430 (it may have been the only 430 at the meet) and my '60 430 hardtop I had back home (I drove a 352 '60 hardtop to the meet). After the judging on Sat. afternoon while most of the cars (all squarebirds back then--the "Squarebird Society") were still on the showfield, a newish Mercury pulled in the hotel lot and parked near the birds. He asked us "if anyone in our club would be interested in buying an old 430 tri-power he had laying in his garage for years (he was a Fomoco engineer)". He popped his trunk and there was this gorgeous complete Super Marauder set up. $75. I was really tempted, but didn't immediately say yes (I only paid $25 for my whole 430 TB which was a glorified parts car, and $75 was a fair amount of $ for me at the time). No one else wanted it (wouldn't fit a 352), but after awhile, the kid with the '59 430 convert. decided to buy it (ok with me, saved me $75, though I kick myself for the next 40 years). He put it in his trunk and went back to Baltimore. I learned years later from another club member in the DC/Baltimore area that he did install it in his '59. I don't know where the car is now, but hopefully it still exists.

joe pribish
09-16-2014, 11:03 AM
1st off i need to say i dont own the car iam posting about. it belongs to my wifes cousin. he also doesnt do computers.......
he and i both belong to a local pensacola car club PANHANDLE CRUISERS. HE actually has a full "chicken coop" of birds.
1957, the "the ghost" 1960, 2-64's, 1 convert and 1 hardtop, both baby blue. an 84 with a fully built race H&Moody engine. and one of the "boat's" 75-77.
posting to let ya kow there is a 430 MEL 400 H.P. super marauder with tri-power build by holman& moody ALIVE AND RUNNING!!!!
was a former pace car,with holly 2300 carbs, 7 qt oil pan with baffles. black leather interior, moroccan ivory(j code)exterior. has factory A/C and positrac rear end. it also came with a "spare" engine, which reside in cousin bills garage, on a stand))))the pic is me with HIS bird. he took it to the new orlenas tbird national show............was the hit of the show.

YellowRose
09-16-2014, 11:53 AM
Hi Joe, thanks for the interesting post! I see you are using Photobucket to post the pix. When I welcomed you to the Forum, in New Members Welcoming, I left you instructions regarding the maximum size of photos to post on this Forum, 800x600pixels. Please go to the PC Help Desk Forum and read the instructions on how to set your pix to 800x600 in Photobucket and set your pix to that setting. Thank you.

Are his Tbirds registered on the Tbird Registry? John Rotella has made it his lifes work to record the status of every known Tbird, 1955-2005, he can, including those that have been crushed, parted out, or still in existence. If you would like to register his Tbirds for him, you can go to this link http://www.tbirdregistry.com/ click on the Browse Thunderbird Registry, click on Is It Already Registered, and enter the VIN # for each of his Tbirds. It will tell you if it has been registered in the past and if not, you can go through the registration process to register it.

joe pribish
09-16-2014, 06:00 PM
i think he has this one registered. he didnt really know what he had till he took it to the new orleans t-bird show. his name is bill bass...........

joe pribish
09-18-2014, 09:40 AM
i resized them on photoobucket, do i need to repost them???

RustyNCa
09-18-2014, 12:24 PM
Wow that is some nice jewelry under the hood right there.

joe pribish
09-19-2014, 11:38 AM
repost it... 430MEL.....
1st off i need to say i dont own the car iam posting about. it belongs to my wifes cousin. he also doesnt do computers.......
he and i both belong to a local pensacola car club PANHANDLE CRUISERS. HE actually has a full "chicken coop" of birds.
1957, the "the ghost" 1960, 2-64's, 1 convert and 1 hardtop, both baby blue. an 84 with a fully built race H&Moody engine. and one of the "boat's" 75-77.
posting to let ya kow there is a 430 MEL 400 H.P. super marauder with tri-power build by holman& moody ALIVE AND RUNNING!!!!
was a former pace car,with holly 2300 carbs, 7 qt oil pan with baffles. black leather interior, moroccan ivory(j code)exterior. has factory A/C and positrac rear end. it also came with a "spare" engine, which reside in cousin bills garage, on a stand))))the pic is me with HIS bird. he took it to the new orleans tbird national show............was the hit of the show.

Alan H. Tast, AIA
09-19-2014, 09:25 PM
352tb430 and I had the opportunity to really look this setup over at the VTCI International in New Orleans on Saturday afternoon of the meet. Here's a few observations I have about what we found:

1. The carbs on the setup were C1AE's, i.e. the "cut-off" Holley 2300s, that were modified by cutting off the straight portion of the gasket ledge. The air cleaner had been modified by pop-riveting plates over the rear of the carb air horn openings in order to block off space due to the "cut off" base.
2. The air cleaner was also modified by grinding a notch into it to clear the rear edge of the surge tank.
3. Likewise, the upper rear half of the surge tank was modified to flatten it out at the seam line in order for the air cleaner to sit in place.

I know they had problems with the fuel pump driving to NOLA - the outboard carbs had their lines disconnected and they had to install an inline electric pump to get there. When we were driving to Biloxi, MS on I-10 the day after the meet they were on the side of the road somewhere between NOLA and the turnoff for the highway to Gulfport, MS, I assume, due to fuel pump issues.

I didn't get to look under the car (I hate shows in parking garages - too dark to look under cars) at the oil pan, but it certainly was interesting to finally get a chance to physically see and touch one of these rarities.