View Full Version : Some Golde Top Questions..

07-05-2009, 02:57 PM
JohnG sent me a number of questions regarding the Golde Top sun roofs... Here are some of them..

* any "factory" installed Golde Top had the windbar in the front ?
From what Ray Oeschger told me, the '60 Tbird came back to the factory from the ASC/BOSCO company with the wind bar installed. It was not installed on the line.

* if the windbar is gone, the holes are still there ?

Alexander said that if the wind bar was gone, had been taken off by someone, the holes for attaching it to the roof and the supports should still be there.. If they were not there, it would indicate that the Golde Top was put on after it left the Wixom plant and they did not have the wind bar to put on. Or someone filled in the holes... I do not recall ever seeing a wind bar on any other car but a Tbird. I think it was something that Ford might have insisted on.

* the rest of the mechanism (mechanical stuff, top) is generica in a sense as it came from the nearby company and therefore might appear on other cars they modified ?
Yes, that is my understanding, that the Golde Top generally fit other cars, unless the roof was different. Golde and it's American subsidiary, made Golde Tops for many different brands of cars.

* the data plate on the car would have no indication that it was a Golde Top ?
The data plate did NOT indicate that it was a Golde Top. It showed it as a Model 63A, though other records indicated that a '60 Golde Top was a Model or Body Style 63B, not a 63A. If you click on the Home page and then the picture of a 1960 Squarebird, you will see that Alexander also says that the Golde Tops were designated as a 63B, but NOT on the data plate. Why, I do not know. Even that computer card that Alexander found in the roof of his Golde Top shows it as a Model 63A. Look at that page.

* Would the Build Sheet show anything?? Are there surviving Build Sheets from authentic Golde Tops ?
I think that the Build/ROT Sheet will show that the Golde Top is a Model 63B. They would have to know on the line that they were building a Golde Top and not a 63A. I will contact Bob Oeschger and ask him if he remembers the Golde Top being designated as a 63B on the Build/Rot Sheet. In the meantime.. Does anyone who owns a Golde Top have their Build/ROT Sheet? If so, what does it tell you for the Model? 63A or 63B? It will be up in the top part of the form.

Now all that said, what about the Windbar ?? What is it made of? Steel (tubular) or pot metal?? Are the stanchions pot metal?
I think the wind bar is made from tubular steel, and the stanchions also, but I am not sure. The person who knows, is John Draxler. I am attaching a picture of it off his website. If you look over on the left side you will see a link to 1960 Golde Top. http://www.tbirdranch.com/ I have tried to contact him this weekend, but he is out. He, probably knows more about this than anyone out there these days. I don't know why he never went into full production. Apparently, he made at least one, according to the pictures. Maybe because there is not much market for them, though I know a few people who are looking for one now. The problem might be that they are pricey, when you can find one.

I wonder how hard it would be to reproduce??
John Draxler knows..

I wonder how many legit Golde Tops have the windbar missing due to age or damage or whatever.
One or two that I know of, and maybe more. One of the guys in Australia for sure.

Where did Alexander's car(s) end up, anyway?
Alexander's nieces Kate and her younger sister are the owners of Alexander's two Tbirds. Alexander's sister, Marianne and her daughter Kate are on this Forum at times.. Marianne took over processing of the detent plates. Marianne tells me that once or twice a month, they get out the Tbirds and "exercise" them a bit. Alexander willed them to his two nieces.

Well, I hope this answers some of your questions! This information, along with what else has been posted about the Golde Tops, probably should be put in the TRL.

If anyone can add to the history of the Golde Top that is not already documented on this Forum, or on Tbird Ranch please let me know.

07-05-2009, 06:12 PM
Here are some wind bar pictures. These are from the front on the drivers side. The bar is stamped stainless steel and the standoffs are pot metal, at least on mine.


07-05-2009, 06:23 PM
Hi Vernz! Thanks for the great close up pix! Well, that answers a question or two! Have you happened to find the Build/ROT Sheet? If so, we would love to have the answer to the question as to what the form says for the Model #. It should say 63B, I would think, so the line guys would know they were working on a Golde Top. Of course, they should have known that anyway, with a hole cut in the roof and the wind bar on it already, when it came back to the line to be finished out. But before they were able to drive it over to ASC to be fitted with the roof, they had to know it was a 63B Golde Top car as they worked on it to get it driveable. Because, at first, the drove them to ASC and back to be fitted with the roof.

07-05-2009, 06:53 PM
Say Vernz....that top/first pic... whats the attachment look/feel like on the underside?

Whats the depth of your top?

07-05-2009, 10:29 PM
I found the build/rot sheet under the rear seat. It is a model 63A. A little to the right under the heading TOP is the number 5. I have been told that the number 5 was used for the birds that had the sun roof. I read an artical about that, but not sure where. I am sure it wasn't in this forum.

07-05-2009, 11:17 PM
Thanks, Reon! You just solved that mystery! So now we know that Golde Tops were still designated as Model 63A's on the Build/ROT Sheet. I know that I read somewhere that they were also designated 63B's on some other paperwork. I thought for sure it would be on the Build/Rot Sheet. I think I also read that the Build/Rot Sheet had an indication on it somewhere that the car associated with that sheet was a Golde Top. There had to be someplace on that sheet to say so, with a code or words so that the linemen would know they were building a Golde Top car. Does anyone else have a Build/ROT Sheet that says anything in plain English that the car is a Golde Top? If so, please let me know.

07-11-2009, 08:38 PM
In looking for some additional Golde Top information, I ran across this post here back in 2002.

finecars (http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin/member.php?u=13) http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin/images/statusicon_squarebird/user_offline.gif
Join Date: Nov 7 2002
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA.
Posts: 1

http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin/images/icons/icon1.gif RE: Production Info
"If I may supply some additional information regarding the Sunroof cars. I have a 60 sunroof and the original build sheet (actually, I have both of them). My car is listed on the sheet as a Model: 63A and the Top Code: 5.
Mine is also a 3 speed (code 2) with overdrive. The build sheet has a spot in the lower left corner for "Remarks". Under that is reads: "OD TRANS".
I like this forum!!"

So there is proof that Ford was indicating a particular car scheduled for production was coded as a 5 in the Top Code (Top Code: 5) on the ROT/Build Sheet. I don't know why they were not using the 63B designator.

How many of you have ever seen this web page put up by Alexander some years ago? I do not think it is listed anywhere on the website...


or these! From Alexander..

Kevin sent me some more pictures of Scott's VW Golde top including a picture of the motor, which is identical to the one in Kevin's 1960 Thunderbird power Golde Top.

http://www.squarebirds.org/images_go...golde-roof.jpg (http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin/../images_golde_top_vw/1972-ghia-golde-roof.jpg)

http://www.squarebirds.org/images_go...olde-roofs.jpg (http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin/../images_golde_top_vw/1972-ghia-golde-roofs.jpg)

http://www.squarebirds.org/images_go...olde-motor.jpg (http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin/../images_golde_top_vw/golde-motor.jpg)

Here are some pictures of Scott's "sunroofghia" 1972 Volkwagen Ghia equipped with a power sunnroof from Golde. Note the aluminum rails on which the roof rides are similar if not identical to the ones on the 1960 Thunderbird Golde Top.

http://www.squarebirds.org/images_go...nroof_ghia.jpg (http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin/../images_golde_top_vw/1972_vw_sunroof_ghia.jpg)

http://www.squarebirds.org/images_go...ghia_close.jpg (http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin/../images_golde_top_vw/1972_vw_sunroof_ghia_close.jpg)

Compare it to the rails on a 1960 Thunderbird with factory sunroof:

http://www.squarebirds.org/images_19...ack-corner.jpg (http://www.squarebirds.org/vbulletin/../images_1960_golde_top/slide-crack-corner.jpg)

Rockin Kev
08-08-2009, 06:41 PM
Great photo shots but if you want it all correct all screws were cross headed on the windbar,
If you want to see one of Golde folding fabric roofs on a Beautiful 1968 Mercedes 280 seb, of which i would like to own, as there a love, hate car then check out this link with video


Dont panic i love my Squarebird but have other taste too, i think this is a cool car

Dan Leavens
08-08-2009, 07:16 PM
Keving great pixs on the 68 Benz and looks like a half decent asking price for that year and quality. My wife drives in the summer a 73 450SL HT convertible with 193,000 kms third owner. Nothing wrong with other tastes but I too love the squarebird lines.:D