PDA

View Full Version : is this engine a 430?


57ford/60thunderbird
05-07-2009, 05:54 PM
hey all when i bought my 60 it came with an "extra" used long block but the guy cant remember what size it is i was told buy the guys over on y-blocksforever they think it is a 59 430 the only number i can find anywhere on the block are B9VE-B could someone tell me if this is a 430 and if possible tell me what family its from or maybe post a pic or two of a 430 block

the guy i got it from told me it was either a 429 or a 460 said a friend of his had it in a boat and that a 460 aluminum intake bolted right to it no problems thanks for your help keith

Dan Leavens
05-07-2009, 06:44 PM
Keith perhaps someone else with a 430 can identify the casting numbers on the block B9VE-B:confused: On the main page there is a search button enter " engine size " push the button and all the threads / posts will come up regarding this topic. Scroll down to 430 engine and see the thread/posts of 10.29.05. Hope this helps.:D

Howard Prout
05-07-2009, 08:36 PM
Don't know about the casting numbers but does it look like this?

57ford/60thunderbird
05-07-2009, 08:52 PM
thanks for the replys guys ill check out that page of info

howard actually i dont think it does i dont remember it haveing freezeout plugs above the trans flange it will get home this saturday and ill snap a few pics of it then

Richard D. Hord
05-07-2009, 08:57 PM
Hey Keith,
All my Thunderbird shop manual says is: patent plate symbol for the engine should be J

57ford/60thunderbird
05-07-2009, 09:15 PM
is the patent plate the same as a door plate or data plate? if so i dont have one this was just an engine laying in the guys barn has been out of the car for years

Hawkrod
05-08-2009, 08:08 PM
B9VE should be a 430, that is a Lincoln casting number and they only used the 430. I have a Merc 383 and it has a B9ME number which indicates they did not use the same casting as a 430. Hawkrod

scumdog
05-08-2009, 10:05 PM
The earliest casting on a 429 or 460 would start with C8*****

57ford/60thunderbird
05-08-2009, 10:33 PM
ok thanks guys so is the 430 and a 460 the same engine family? and is a 430 worth messing around with ? i got this engine to possibly use it in my 57 ford sedan

are parts readilly availible for a 430?

scumdog
05-08-2009, 10:57 PM
ok thanks guys so is the 430 and a 460 the same engine family? and is a 430 worth messing around with ? i got this engine to possibly use it in my 57 ford sedan

are parts readilly availible for a 430?

NO!

Thet are TOTALLY different.

The C8** type number indicates they started building 640s in 1968 - long after 430s had gone the way of the dodo - hence parts for a 430 are not too easy to find..

Only the name is the same, I doubt if even the distributor cap interchanges between the 430 and 460.

Hawkrod
05-09-2009, 01:18 AM
Actually the distributor cap, points, and rotor do interchange between a 430 and a 460 but that is almost it! LOL Also note that the 430 was not a dinosaur when the 460 came out, it had been upsized in 1966 to 462 and the 460 replaced that in 1968. Hawkrod

57ford/60thunderbird
05-17-2009, 10:53 PM
ok guys its been awhile since i made this post but i finnally got the extra engine tonight and while i had it out in the sunlight i rechecked the casting number and i made a mistake when i first wrote the number down the actuall number is C9VE-B and i took some pics of the engine and heads so now maybe someone can help me id this engine
here is the link
http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLanding.action?c=b2ouskar.8774c5vn&x=0&h=1&y=y9xnrr&localeid=en_US

i hope the link works

tbirds8
05-18-2009, 05:44 AM
That,s either a 429 or 460. It.s out of something from 1969

Colo66
05-18-2009, 04:50 PM
It has been a while since I messed around with the 385 series engines but I believe that the 429/460 blocks are the same with the exception of the crank and pistons. Check your crankshaft for the casting ID 4U. That would indicate a 429. I am not sure what a 460 would be. The heads are interchangeable between the two with the main difference of the combustion chamber volume. The 68 429 "Thunderjet" from a Thunderbird is the best as it came with small combustion chambers with an advertised 360 horse power with either 10.5-1 or 11-1 compression ratio. The 69 was down a little on compression as well as equiped with a thermactor system.
Dont shoot me if Im wrong....My memory is 47 years old!!!!

tbirds8
05-18-2009, 07:14 PM
Been lookin in some books and I think you have 69 lincoln 460. It sounds like V is for the lincoln line. Could be wrong. Just my feeble mind at work!

scumdog
05-19-2009, 07:04 AM
Been lookin in some books and I think you have 69 lincoln 460. It sounds like V is for the lincoln line. Could be wrong. Just my feeble mind at work!

The 'V' means it was originally a Lincoln part but you find those parts all over - i.e. DOVE heads on all earlier 429 - 460 regardless of what Ford car they're in.

Hawkrod
05-19-2009, 11:28 AM
The 'V' means it was originally a Lincoln part but you find those parts all over - i.e. DOVE heads on all earlier 429 - 460 regardless of what Ford car they're in.
That is correct, the 69 429 will also have the V in the casting number. If it is a 460 it is a Lincoln engine, otherwise it is a Ford or Mercury engine. The only difference is the crank and pistons as was already mentioned. Check the crank csating number to see which it is. I will add that in that condition it is not particularly valuable but if somebody were specifically looking you may get up to about $200 for the longblock you have based on the pictures. 68/9 engines are not particularly desirable as the many of the 70 and newer blocks were improved. Hawkrod

57ford/60thunderbird
05-19-2009, 12:16 PM
thanks guys over on y-blocks forever they say its a 429 and the casting numbers on the heads are C9VE which according to them are good heads and were very popular as they were easy to make flow almost as good as the 429 super cobra jet DOVE heads im planning on useing this engine in my 57 sedan (if i can get the pistons out of it) ill try to see if i can find the casting number on the crank may have to wait till i knock the pistons out of it

tbirds8
05-19-2009, 07:50 PM
I'll leave this to the experts.

Hawkrod
05-19-2009, 11:16 PM
thanks guys over on y-blocks forever they say its a 429 and the casting numbers on the heads are C9VE which according to them are good heads and were very popular as they were easy to make flow almost as good as the 429 super cobra jet DOVE heads im planning on useing this engine in my 57 sedan (if i can get the pistons out of it) ill try to see if i can find the casting number on the crank may have to wait till i knock the pistons out of itJust an FYI, D0VE heads are not Cobra Jet heads they are Thunder Jet heads and are much lower power potential. The CJ and SCJ used D0OE heads. The C9VE heads are identical to the D0VE heads. The only way you can tell if the engine is a 429 or a 460 is from the crank casting number which you have not posted here. If you have not provided that to the other guys they are blowing smoke up your backside as far as which it is. Hawkrod

57ford/60thunderbird
05-19-2009, 11:23 PM
well i bought some penetrating oil and doused the top half of the pitons twice today and the lifters and cam bearing jornals (they were stuck also) i got the cam and lifters out of it alittle bit ago so thats a plus hopefully the pistons will come out as easy

and hawkrod , LOL i thought i was feelin a draft but i seriously hope its a 429 and not a 460

Hawkrod
05-20-2009, 01:15 AM
Just curious, why would you want it to be a 429 rather than a 460? Most guys who build these swap out the 429 right away. There is no substitute for cubic inches! LOL BTW, I have several 68 and 69 Lincoln 460's available if you are in the Auburn CA area and none of them look nearly as bad as the one you have. Hawkrod

57ford/60thunderbird
05-20-2009, 12:33 PM
well i like to be just alittle different and i think saying my car has a 429 (alittle shock value) ;)in it sounds better then saying 460 i allways think of a truck engine when i hear 460 and i havent heard alot of good things about 460's ummmm im only about 1300 or so miles from cali im in ohio

Hawkrod
05-20-2009, 02:16 PM
I guess if I had looked up and read the area above the post I would have seen where you were from! LOL Personally I think of Lincoln when I think 460 but you could always say " I have a stroked 429"! Hawkrod

57ford/60thunderbird
05-20-2009, 05:38 PM
ok i just got all the pistons knocked out of it they all came out in one piece (surprisingly)

a few of the rods/wrist pins are stuck but no big deal it didnt take a half hour to get them out

the crank spins freely and ive looked all over the crank and cant see a part number on it where would it be?

all the pistons have 429 cast into them near the wristpin hole

Colo66
05-20-2009, 07:00 PM
You will be looking for "4U" cast into a crankshaft counter weight. I dont remember if 429 would be cast into the pistons but would stand to reason since they are different than the 460. Back in mid 80's I had a dirt track, claimer stocker class race car. It was in a 76 cougar xr7. Everyone else were running 350/monte carlos. I took quite a ribbing with that "boat" but after the 3 race, I was whippin em pretty good! They could get me on the turns but the straights, that 429 would pull hard! made for some excitin finishes. Man, that was fun! I wished I had that car back now. 429 sounds better than 460 too!

scumdog
05-21-2009, 08:49 AM
My F100 has a 429 cos that's all I could buy in NZ way back then.

Great motor and revs freely and not TOO hard on gas. (18mpg in Imperial gallons)