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bcomo
01-11-2008, 02:03 AM
Well -- I drove the girl down to Janke's machine shop, and left her in very good hands to get her complete rebuild.

The only thing that will be left of her old self will be the block, crank, and head cores. Everything else will be new.

They'll also do a complete engine balance and drop the tranny for me to take to the tranny guy next week.

Here are some photos. Janke's is a highly regarded machine shop in business for 30 years, and usually does high end dragster, oval track, and other special engine jobs. He said that the guys in the shop were happy to be working on the T-Bird -- they appreciate the old girl. :)


Inside the shop: (Clean and neat -- I like that !!!!)

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/shop.jpg


Here's one of their engines:

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/dyno.jpg


Here she is after they pulled her engine out -- :o

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/bird.jpg


Now this really scared the heck out of me -- :eek:

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/compartment.jpg


Here is the 430 monster minus the extra stuff. BIG !!!!

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/engineside.jpg


A shot of the back shows how really WIDE the 430 is. :o

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/engineback.jpg


More photos will come after the teardown.

tbird430
01-11-2008, 11:29 AM
That looks like the original tranny torque convertor as well. Glad to see it "is finally happening" for u, looks like a great shop too.... :)

fomoco59
01-11-2008, 12:27 PM
That's always so exciting ! :eek:

bcomo
01-11-2008, 07:32 PM
Yes -- it's the first engine I've ever had rebuilt.

The engine was torn down today, and I finally got to check the casting numbers. She is in fact a 60 Ford 430 cast in Feb 60. The data plate shows a production date of June 1960, so this could be her original engine -- I'd like to think so anyway. Everything inside of the engine, rods, pistons, was still original Fomoco.

She had some bad main bearings, BUT the crank is OK. One of the rings was cracked and fell out when they took out the pistons. Can you believe that.

There was absolutely no sludge, or crud. It was so clean that we wondered why those main bearings went bad. :confused:

This is what you call a basket full. Parts waiting for a first bath.

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/teardown.jpg


There were no head thermostats. But notice the brass diverters. I told them to leave them alone.

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/diverters.jpg


The crank still has the hand written assembly code number, and also stamped on the crank.
Well -- at least I know that the oil screen was clean. ;)

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/crank.jpg


Engines waiting for pick-up in the assembly room.

I want one! :p

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/engines1.jpg


More photos as it progresses.

Alexander
01-11-2008, 09:50 PM
You have chrome valve covers on your 430? I have never seen that before.

bcomo
01-11-2008, 10:18 PM
Yes.

I have a chrome dress-up kit for the 430 that never existed.

I also have all of the stock stuff to go back if I want to later on. But, I like the chrome.

tbird430
01-12-2008, 11:28 AM
I'm glad to hear that is the original block :), when u told me it was red with black paint sprayed over it, I was thinking it was a 1961-63 Lincoln Cont. replacement 430cid!!! :o

On a side note, the brass diverters may need to be removed before they acid bath ur block...? I might be wrong, but I would also like to save u ALL the money I can!! What do u other 430cid T-Birders think?

Dan Leavens
01-12-2008, 01:25 PM
Bart the pictures are excellent and it looks like your 60 is in very good hands going through this process. It must be great to know that much originality of the parts are still in the old girl after all these years. Did they do a compression test on the motor?? Keep the pictures coming.

Dano Calgary,Alberta Canada

bcomo
01-12-2008, 02:05 PM
Are you thinking that maybe the acid bath will eat the brass?

They are pressed into the block, so if I remove them, they can't be reused again. Lincoln Land has them for $115 a pair -- Geez.

I would appreciate any input.

bcomo
01-12-2008, 04:46 PM
Dan:

No, a compression test wasn't done.

The rebuild was for two reasons:

First, I began to notice very sllght bearing noise on startup untill it warmed up -- after the bearing(s) became warm, no more noise. I knew that the old girl was asking for help.

Second, she always had one lifter that imtermittently had problems staying pumped -- ticking off and on.

Other than that, she ran perfectly, with no miss or blowby, and after teardown the combustion chambers looked clean with just traces of carbon.

The one unexpected item was that one of the rings was cracked, and 1/2 of it fell out when they removed that piston. That would have been a catastrophy if pieces had dislodged in the cylinder wall.

What finally made my decision to go ahead with this was the reputaton of the shop, and the price of $3,000. That included removing the engine and transmission, complete rebuild using a Master kit; including all machine shop work, balancing, and reinstalling the complete engine and transmission.

The Master kit alone from Kanter for the 430 would have cost me $1,550 plus pulling the engine myself, the machine shop work, then reinstall the engine and transmission myself.

While the transmission is out, I'm taking it to a shop this week that has worked on COM's for a rebuild, including the torque converter. I have a price of $800 to $1,000 for that.

Dan Leavens
01-12-2008, 06:07 PM
Bart the price sounds very reasonable @ $3K and it was great to find out about the ring now and not later $$$. It sounds like this shop is exactly the type of shop that will take extra care on this project. It's not often that these guys get to work on a classic T-Bird. I had the same thing happen when I had mine in last winter and tried a reputable " muscle car " shop who had a good name. They looked at my 58 and the first word out of one of the guys was my father used to have one of these, that he used to work on. Pricless!!!

Dano Calgary,Alberta Canada

KULTULZ
01-28-2008, 09:49 AM
I have a chrome dress-up kit for the 430 that never existed.

I also have all of the stock stuff to go back if I want to later on. But, I like the chrome.

Chromed rocker covers were available. How many (and which) other parts are chromed?

http://www.hotrodders.com/gallery/data/500/1958_LINC_430_BRITE_Install_2.jpg

http://www.hotrodders.com/gallery/data/500/462_Brite_Finish.jpg

http://www.hotrodders.com/gallery/data/500/medium/430_Brite_Finish.jpg

All of the above is not correct, but shows how one can be dressed with brite parts.

bcomo
01-28-2008, 11:08 AM
I have the chrome items that I believe were the typical items for the 352 dress kit. Valve Covers, Air Cleaner, Oil Breather Cap, Surge Tank Cap, and Regulator Cover. It's tough to look at it all torn down now during the rebuild.

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/430right.jpg

KULTULZ
01-28-2008, 11:28 AM
I have the chrome items that I believe were the typical items for the 352 dress kit. Valve Covers, Air Cleaner, Oil Breather Cap, Surge Tank Cap, and Regulator Cover. It's tough to look at it all torn down now during the rebuild.

http://www.hotrodders.com/gallery/data/500/highperformancekits.jpg

Shown is the FE Dress-Up Kit (1964). MEL rocker covers are unique. Your complete air cleaner housing is chromed (looks nice) whereas the FORD kit had an open element air cleaner.

I have seen photos of a similiar setup and would like to know its' origion. Plating is an expensive venture these days.

The engine looks good...!!!

bcomo
01-28-2008, 11:50 AM
Ahhh -- to get those prices again.

bcomo
02-09-2008, 01:07 PM
Here are more photos during the 430 rebuild.

The suspension out -- notice the safety wire holding up the wheel hub, so that the brake lines don't have to be removed.

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/suspension1.jpg


The front end parts ready for me to clean and paint:

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/suspension2.jpg


Front end parts after I cleaned, wire brushed and painted them. The springs have a purple stripe for 430 springs (height 15.5", and .710" thickness).

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/suspension3.jpg


COM (PBB Large Case) Transmission back from the shop, and new Torque Converter in lower right. Ready for prep and paint.

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/tranny1.jpg


Photo after I preped and painted the tranny. Tailshaft is natural Aluminum, case sprayed with Cast Iron Finish, and bell housing is Black. (The Old Girl is going to love this ;) )

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/tranny2.jpg


She's always had a whine in the rear axle during acceleration, so the rear axle is being competely torn down for a new Ring and Pinion, and all new bearings and seals.

http://www.squarebirds.org/users/bcomo/axle1.jpg


More Photos later.

tbird430
02-09-2008, 01:29 PM
DANG BART!!! :eek: I thought this was just an engine overhaul. Ur not even going to recognize that Bird when u get her back on the road. :D

I would ALMOST be tempted to put the 3.10 or 3.55? rear diff gears back in her to make her "fly" off the line better...:cool:

bcomo
02-09-2008, 01:56 PM
Dang is right !!

Well------ I had the tranny out, and there was that linkage leak that needed the valve body dropped. So, I figured I might as well put it in the back of my Jeep and have it torn down, and completely inspected and resealed.

The tranny guy said that it had been rebuilt recently (who knew that ?). The hard parts were all perfect, the clutches were in great shape, and bands as thick as brake shoes. They replaced all of the tranny bushings and seals, and sent the Converter out of state for a teardown, inspection, new hub and balance. Total tranny cost, including the Converter $439 -- I couldn't refuse that !!!!

Since I saved alot on the tranny :o ---- I had to get rid of that whine in the rear axle. The gears will be 3.0 instead of 2.91

tbird430
02-09-2008, 03:47 PM
Sweet!! :)

Hawkrod
02-09-2008, 07:10 PM
Shown is the FE Dress-Up Kit (1964). MEL rocker covers are unique. Your complete air cleaner housing is chromed (looks nice) whereas the FORD kit had an open element air cleaner.

I have seen photos of a similiar setup and would like to know its' origion. Plating is an expensive venture these days.

The engine looks good...!!!
Although i am late to the party I would point out that a 1960 Tbird Chrome dress up kit for a 352 would not be an open element air cleaner, it would be the one shown on the 430. They are correct and are the same unit used on regular 352 and 430 but are chrome plated. Hawkrod

Hawkrod
02-09-2008, 07:13 PM
Dan:

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The one unexpected item was that one of the rings was cracked, and 1/2 of it fell out when they removed that piston. That would have been a catastrophy if pieces had dislodged in the cylinder wall.
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Still late to the party but i wanted to point out that a broken piston ring can't dislodge unless there is extensive damage to the piston or cylinder as there is not enough room between the piston and cylinder wall even in a heavily worn engine. The ends of the ring can cut slots in the cylinder wall though and that is just as bad. Hawkrod

bcomo
02-09-2008, 07:17 PM
Hawkrod -- Better late than a no-show.

Your input is always appreciated.

bcomo
02-15-2008, 07:20 PM
Here are some photos of the carrier with new 3.0 ring and pinion set. Notice the nice central wear pattern on the yellow test paint.

Interesting -- I painted the outside of the carrier with Rust-O-Leum "Red Oxide" paint. I did NOT paint the inside. It was painted at the factory that same color; probably to avoid rust before assembly.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z93/christina_timee/axle2.jpg


Photo of the front before it was installed. The rest of the axle got a complete set of new bearings and seals.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z93/christina_timee/axle3.jpg


Carrier installed. Now I have to paint the axle around it. My mistake -- should have done that before. :rolleyes:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z93/christina_timee/axle4.jpg

tbird430
02-18-2008, 05:23 PM
Looks good Bart!! :)

bcomo
03-01-2008, 09:13 PM
Here are some more photos for those of you who are interested. It's finally getting back together.


Driveshaft took alot of weight to balance -- front and rear.
Well spent $35

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z93/christina_timee/shaft1.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z93/christina_timee/shaft2.jpg


Everything balanced and ready for assembly:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z93/christina_timee/engineparts-1.jpg


Notice the weight welded to the crank counterweight after the crank was cut.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z93/christina_timee/crankbalance.jpg


Comparison of two rods after balancing. Some of them needed more material removed to balance.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z93/christina_timee/rods.jpg



Bottom end together:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z93/christina_timee/enginelower.jpg



Heads surfaced and valve seats machined.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z93/christina_timee/heads.jpg


Heads being assembled with new valves, springs, and rocker arms.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z93/christina_timee/headassembly.jpg



Owner of Janke's (Jerry Janke) admiring his work after the engine was painted. Chrome valve covers are being rechromed. Still alot of parts to get back together -- but it's getting there. :)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z93/christina_timee/enginepaint.jpg

Dan Leavens
03-01-2008, 10:07 PM
Bart it won't be long and it is all coming together for you. It won't be long and it will be soon cruisin time. Looks great.

Dano Calgary,Alberta Canada