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tp tbird
12-17-2007, 06:10 PM
I'm new to this place so I don't know what I am doing ,please help.I am getting a 430 engine rebuilt for my 59 tbird convertible and put new pistons in but the rods are .003 over and i can't use the pins that came with the pistons in the rebuilt kit.Can anybody tell me where I might get .003 over wrist pins for a 1959 430 mel engine?Thanks :confused: tp tbird

Alexander
12-17-2007, 06:25 PM
Welcome.

Try http://www.egge.com/ .

tp tbird
12-17-2007, 06:33 PM
Thanks,the place where i got my rebuild kit give me Egge's phone number today.He give me a couple of numbers to try.I just sent them a e-mail about the pins soooooo I will see if they can help,thanks again

Husky35
12-17-2007, 11:14 PM
Try the MEL forum http://www.network54.com/Forum/257364/ they have lots of very good experts and have been through it a few times. Got lots of help building my 430 for my 59 convertible. Just some things to consider.. go with a FE High Volume oil pump and ditch the vacuum system.

tp tbird
12-18-2007, 05:43 PM
Thanks for the help,my engine builder has found them and also Egge's wrote me and they have them also.tp

tp tbird
12-18-2007, 05:56 PM
Does anyone have any idea how many of the 1959 430 tbird covertibles are still around.I got mine last year and had to get the motor and transmission redone.I stripped the paint and it is in primer now.It also has air conditioning,I would like to find someone that has one that might send me some pictures of the engine.When I got mine the carb was off and would like to see how some of the lines are run.I have a Carter carb that is correct,but don't know if there is a spacer or not for this engine.
I also have a 1959 hardtop restored with a 352,but have found alot of differents between the two.TP

bcomo
12-18-2007, 07:10 PM
The carb number should be 2853S for the 59 430.

The spacer should be a tapered spacer. They are still available new, but I can't remember who has them at this minute. The large end of the spacer goes toward the firewall.

bcomo
12-19-2007, 03:23 PM
tp tbird:

I made a mistake -- the low end of the spacer goes to the rear -- the high end goes to the front. This levels the carb.

I should have looked before I typed.

GTE427
12-20-2007, 03:20 PM
Here are some picutres of my 59 430. The fuel and the vacuum line came from a 59 Lincoln, I believe the fuel to be correct, not so sure the vacuum is correct on the 430 Tbird. The Glass bowl Filter is a reproduction from a small bird vendor, a canister type was used on the 60 430 which may be safer than the glass one. My heater hoses aren't routed correctly, (moved one for the photo)there's a bracket I'd like to locate and Alexander has refered us to correct style heater hoses in another post, which will be installed this spring.

There is a Tbird registry, once you figure out the sort, the 430 convertibles appear at the end, think there were only about twenty registered. The site cannot accept any more, so my car for one is missing as so may be yours. The registry is only accurate for what has been listed, who knows what else lies out there to be discovered.

tbird430
12-20-2007, 05:59 PM
That is correct, there is a metal fuel filter that threads into the end of the fuel pump, then the fuel line screws directly into the filter then runs to the Carter carb. The entire engine should be semi-flat black though, with gloss black valve covers, and a white air cleaner. A white fan blade is also used on the 4-blade (non-A/C) 430's, while a black 5-blade fan was used on the rarer A/C equipped 430's.... :)

tp tbird
12-21-2007, 12:17 PM
Thanks for the pictures posted of the top of the engine.Most of the ones I have seen have the air cleaner on or they are missing parts.The 1959 430 convertible I am working on has A/C,but the part in front of the radiator was gone when I got the car last year.It looks like it has all macthing numbers,I just got the transmission back from a rebuild and the engine should be done in a few days.

Alexander
12-21-2007, 03:14 PM
What do you mean by matching numbers? Fords of these years do not have matching numbers. You can reasonably assume an engine is original if it dated within a month before the build date.

tp tbird
12-30-2007, 12:24 AM
The block, heads, intake and right exhaust manifold starts with B9ME except the left exhaust it starts with B9LE .

bcomo
01-02-2008, 11:08 PM
tp tbird:

Where did you get the rebuild parts for the 430 -- especially the pistons? Is it a package?

I may need this very soon.

Thanks

tp tbird
01-04-2008, 02:41 PM
I got the engine parts from Fast Engine Parts on E-bay master kit ,but I called them to talk and deal with .The pistons are not like the orginals ,these are flat on top.

bcomo
01-04-2008, 04:11 PM
Thanks tp tbird. Maybe you could do a post after the rebuild on how things went.

By the way, if you have the original starter in there, now would be the best time to change it. It's almost an impossible job to change a starter in the car with a 430 and A/C. The engine has to be jacked up untill the bell housing is literally into the A/C box for the starter to clear the crossmember. That's exactly what had to be done on mine.

bcomo
01-04-2008, 09:11 PM
I don't see the 430 listed on the Fast Engine Parts Web site. http://www.fastengineparts.com

tp tbird
01-09-2008, 01:33 PM
The place I have my engine at called me and said it is ready ,but I just got out of the hospital after 4 days in with a heart-attact.Had to have a stint ,I think everything looks okay.As for the 59 bird I will have to go slow for awhile till I can do heavy things.My engine cost me alot ,the shop that done the work on the short block re-build cost $3,298+$1,245 in parts,heads $496+$151 for new valves.I will have over $6,000+ , closer to 7grand with the other bolt-on parts

Alexander
01-09-2008, 01:40 PM
I hope you recover well.

tp tbird
01-09-2008, 02:03 PM
I don't see the 430 listed on the Fast Engine Parts Web site. http://www.fastengineparts.com
Maddog engine parts is the one I talked to The guy was Harris (1-800-9404379)
On the kits they have Basic,Master,or Deluxe
It just depends what you need to rebuild,but they will give and take on parts in a kit,like if you don't need one thing ,and need something else that is not in a kit they will adjust price.The kit I got was a master and I added valve springs and push rods.It came with a rebuild kit for the oil pump ,but it was suppose to be a new one ,so they did send a new one when I told they about it ,it is not the vac,also the kit come with a new cam ,all the gaskets,timing gears ,chain,ect.The rear main seal is a wick seal so it is best to replace it with a neopreme one, part number B6A321B $27.15+s/h in the Thunderbird Headquarters book.tom p

tp tbird
01-09-2008, 02:06 PM
Thanks ,hope so too so I can get back to work on the convertible ,before I get he medical bills

bcomo
01-09-2008, 07:38 PM
tp tbird:

Thanks for the rebuild info.

Hope that you recover fast -- and the medical bills are low.

Take Care.