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AussieTbird
06-26-2007, 01:52 PM
My first post as the proud new owner of a '60 Golde top (352) with Cruisomatic and A/C. She's beautiful, and on her way to Australia!

I have only just become aware of the rarity of the Golde top option. Can anyone give me an idea as to the total production of this model, and how much the Golde top adds to the value of a non-sunroof car?

Cheers

PR

AussieTbird
06-26-2007, 02:15 PM
Also, after reading a few of the other posts, I am questioning whether it has a factory Golde roof. What is the size of the actual opening? I have looked at the press release photo on this site, and it seems to have a larger "hole" than mine, althpough the turn handle mechanism appaers to be the same.

Maybe the press release shot was not the final Golde fitment? I realise that the punch card is hopefully in the sun roof panel, but I can't check now, as the car is on the water. Can anyone assist?

Thanks again.

PR

Alexander
06-27-2007, 11:09 AM
Welcome to the site.

The production of the 1960 Golde Top was 2536 or 2500 depending on the sources. It is rare.

There are subtle differences between the press release photo and the actual production roof, notably the attachment of the sunroof headliner to the front of the sunroof.

The roof opening is very wide compared to current sunroofs. It is exactly a meter across (39.37 inches). The roof is of German design, so it is not so surprising that that it is metric in measurement.

JohnG
06-27-2007, 07:52 PM
Alexander, of the 2500 or so, do you have any numbers on how many had 352's and how many had 430's??

On a different note, I have a vague recollection from several years ago that there was a Golde Top found in NH that was electric. Was any additional information ever gathered on that one?? I seem to recall that someone in Britain or someplace had purchased the sunroof part and had it removed.

John
non Golde Top owner

Alexander
06-27-2007, 10:14 PM
Ford left no official record as to specific options with other options. I don't think there is specific information as to how many 430 engined 1959 and 1960's were made. We know they were less than 10 percent of production, maybe even less than 5 percent.

Rockin' Kev of this site bought the roof of that electric Golde Top.

JohnG
06-28-2007, 08:44 AM
Ah!! That is the source of the thread "Power Golde"... thanks!

john

Bob M
06-28-2007, 05:02 PM
Your car is on the water just was wondering where you had to go to find your car and how many Squarebirds do you think you might have in your country
Bob M
Kentucky,USA

Dan Leavens
06-29-2007, 07:40 PM
Peter welcome to the site and I too am interested, in knowing just how many squarebirds you might have in Auatralia.Keep your posts coming and let us know when she arrives.

Dano Calgary,Alberta Canada

Alexander
06-30-2007, 10:58 AM
I have sent out at least half a dozen detent plates to Australia, so there must a lot of dedicated Squarebird enthusiasts there.

byersmtrco
07-02-2007, 11:33 AM
There were 377 1960 Thuderbirds w/sunroofs and 430's.
Unsure of prod #'s for 59 430 TBirds (Not many)

byersmtrco
07-02-2007, 11:33 AM
THUNDERBIRDS . . . (excuse me)

Rockin Kev
03-15-2008, 06:03 PM
Hi,
After the fire and the loss of my beautiful fully loaded J code i managed to rescue the power roof.

Ok, The Golde roof in Fords history and what was Factory and what was not, as you know Golde had all ready open an office in Detriot many years before Ford approach Golde to design them a sunroof, as the sunroof fitted at the Wixom factory was fitted in by Golde, a number of bodies from the Budd company were sent to Golde for the installation of the roof then the shell return to Wixom were the car had its own trim line to fit the interior trim for the sunroof.

As you all know or some of you a POWER golde sunroof was found in a Breakers yard in NH, this is true and i had to purchase the whole car! just to get that roof.
With the help of my New Friend, Dave he saved as much as possible and the needed parts were shipped to my home here in England.

On inspection of the parts, all of which are Golde part number and stamped!! and further to the design i can assure you all the car was a genuine power Golde roof.

As you all know , way back when you could get Fctory and dealer options, so in truth there was nothing stopping you from ordering a sunroof car from your dealer and asking them to contact Golde direct to ask for the option to be power and not manual.

Everyone must understand that this sunroof was nothing to do with Fords design studio, the whole roof and patents were and still Golde Owned.

I have owned other Classic cars with manual and power Golde sunroof, i have quite an extensive book collection on the designs and the company of which as you know was later sold via the ASC (American Sunroof Company) .
If you have a chance to check out the 1973 Buicks or even the 1970 Thunderbirds the power roof designs in those cars are near on the same.

In some of my original books i have clear photo shots of 1959 Buicks and Oldsmobile with manual and POWER roofs fitted, i even have a 1958 Ford Fairlane with the said roof fitted, in a genuine Golde company design book.

I had the roof fitted in my old Manual sunroof car and the whole job was done in one day! as the design was so simple.
The roof was fitted by Time Served craftmen here in Engalnd who were doing teh job 50 years ago, infact the chap who fitted it was fitting them in the 1960s so it was done right.
The company also held Blue Prints on the roof to show me from there own records.

So i still have the power roof and all that is needed to change your manual roof to a power one, so one day i will have to buy another Golde and sell my Aquamarine Convertible of which is jaw dropping but its not that 1 of 377 built! lincoln hot rod toy.

Kev,

ozroadrunner
06-04-2008, 06:14 AM
Peter welcome to the site and I too am interested, in knowing just how many squarebirds you might have in Auatralia.Keep your posts coming and let us know when she arrives.

Dano Calgary,Alberta Canada

Hi Dano,
I've just joined and I have a 1960 Bird on the water to Brisbane Australia from LA. It should be here in the next 2 weeks. It has a sunroof which from reading this website is rare. I was told by the seller, it was a "moon roof"
I have had a 60 and 2 x 65's in the past.

Penelope
06-04-2008, 09:46 AM
Welcome Ozroadrunner, nice to see another Squarebirder down here in Oz. A couple of guys have asked how many squarebirds are in OZ. According to the Thunderbird Owners Club of Australia, they think about 15, plus one more now!

Bill

tbird430
06-04-2008, 09:58 AM
Congrats on a fine purchase. :) The '60 sunroof's were quite rare- only some 4200 were made (Roughly 390 had the 430cid engine option). The sunroof didn't appear as a T-Bird option again until 1969....

bcomo
06-04-2008, 02:11 PM
Welcome and congratulations Ozroadrunner:

Do you have a photo or two of your Bird and sunroof?

byersmtrco
06-07-2008, 12:57 AM
2536 w/352 , 377 w/430

WELCOME !!!!



Congrats on a fine purchase. :) The '60 sunroof's were quite rare- only some 4200 were made (Roughly 390 had the 430cid engine option). The sunroof didn't appear as a T-Bird option again until 1969....

ozroadrunner
07-10-2008, 07:14 AM
Thanks, I will post a pic when I can take a decent one. I have wires to put on it etc.

I saw a post that said a company in CA has parts for the Golde Top.
I need the plastic surround for the handle.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Dennis

ozroadrunner
07-10-2008, 08:17 PM
Welcome Ozroadrunner, nice to see another Squarebirder down here in Oz. A couple of guys have asked how many squarebirds are in OZ. According to the Thunderbird Owners Club of Australia, they think about 15, plus one more now!

Bill

Actually Bill, as well as the Golde top 60, I bought in another 60 T Bird, very straight, it is for sale. Also have a 1965 & 1966 as well as a 1969 Lincoln done 26,000 miles genuine. All for sale.

Dennis Brisbane

Rockin Kev
12-30-2008, 01:49 PM
Dennis,
Go to www.tbirdranch.com i am sure you can find a repro plastic cup for the handle, MAN! I MISS MY GOLDE.

Kev
60 Con
England.

YellowRose
12-30-2008, 02:20 PM
Thanks to Kev, I am able to share this information with you regarding parts for the Golde Top Sun Roof. Although this is a VW website, it is my understanding that the Golde Top parts for it will also fit the Golde Tops for our Tbirds. Kev can correct me if I am wrong. The cables needed for that Alfa Romeo I posted about should also work with it. The Golde Top was pretty much interchangeable between car makes, so I understand. This website is in England, so you will have to communicate with them regarding payment in USD.

http://www.vwheritage.com/bbt/Stock-Aircooled/VW-Beetle-Parts/Roof/Metal-Sunroof-Parts/?srchPart=117-877-305%2FA%20%2F

As some of you know, Kev lost his beloved J convertible in a fire several years back. It was an excellent original car and it was a tragic loss. It should remind us to disconnect our battery cable when we have our car in the garage or in storage. I have started doing that with mine.

I am pleased that I was able to restore Kev's user account. He has not been able to get into the Forum since Alexander passed away and I was able to fix that for him.

bcomo
12-30-2008, 08:56 PM
Welcome back Kev.

I remember that tragedy of the loss of your J Bird. I think that there were photos of her somewhere on the forum. She was one very nice car.

Rockin Kev
01-03-2009, 06:59 PM
Yeah Guys thanks for the welcome back and thanks to RAY FOR SORTING MY ACCOUNT OUT,but Ray i had a J code Golde in unrestored condition, fully loaded and i mean loaded, i still cannot get over the my loss, i have a 1960 352 Convertible now, i would love a J code convertible from 1960 again of course, in fact there was a peach of a j code convertible in up state New Hampshire in the same colour a my convertible... Aquamarine, this J code in New Hampshire was loaded and had the conny kit has anyone seen it, as it needs a new owner!..lol

TALKING J CODE, 38K FROM NEW ONE OWNER 1960 BIRDIE ON THAT AUCTION SITE!!! WE ALL SPEND TOO MUCH TIME AND MONEY ON RIGHT NOW.

SandyBoy
01-03-2009, 08:58 PM
Welcome back, Kev ! Sorry for your loss. I know how badlyI would feel so, I cannot imagine what a sadness it has been for you.

Good to see ya face again !!!!!!! :)

Rockin Kev
01-04-2009, 04:44 PM
Cheers Bart, i think photos were uploaded on Johns thunderbird registry, got to have a chat with John when i was Stateside, nice guy!
Kev

byersmtrco
01-10-2009, 12:14 AM
Correction . . . My bad. 2,536 1960 Thunderbirds were equipped w/sunroofs. Of those, 377 had the J-Code 430 "BIG Block". Of those eq w/leather, AC, pwr/wdo's etc is unknown.

At our 2006 VTCA concours, there was a club member there who had moved to Nevada. He had the orig build sheet (retrieved from rear seat area). It had the 430, factory installed AC, and . . . AND black seats w/gray cloth inserts. It had every power option Ford offered in 1960. There were a few oddball things on there. It had a pwr brake unit I had never seen before. It was one cherry ride. You may recall seeing it on the Sq/Birds calendar (cover) a few yrs back. The gunmetal gray one. I think Alexander really liked it (putting it on the cover and inside)

tbird430
01-10-2009, 11:52 AM
That sure sounds like a "one of a kind" T-bird John....:cool: