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bird 60
06-11-2017, 09:03 PM
Hi, if someone has a 1960 Roof Emblem that's not on the Bird, can you please give me the measurement between the two pins.

Thank you
Chris......From OZ.

Randy
06-11-2017, 11:30 PM
just trying to help https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4243/35250408285_f5849f90dd_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VGXyh6)20170611_195442 (https://flic.kr/p/VGXyh6) by Randy harsha (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126764621@N05/), on Flickr ..........................................https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4206/35250394595_b0e10072ce_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VGXud4)20170611_195314 (https://flic.kr/p/VGXud4) by Randy harsha (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126764621@N05/), on Flickr.......................https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4221/35210598966_70e65f44f8_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VDrwmw)20170611_195210 (https://flic.kr/p/VDrwmw) by Randy harsha (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126764621@N05/), on Flickr the 3 pins first is between the outer pins , 2nd. is from rear to middle, 3rd, is front to middle. hope this help.

bird 60
06-12-2017, 01:15 AM
Thanks Randy. It looks like 7 5/8" from center to center, from one end to the other. What is that round piece of steel? Any chance of taking a broader picture, as I plan to put a '56-'57 Port window there.

Thank You.

Chris......From OZ.

Randy
06-12-2017, 06:54 AM
Ok will do, first thing today when light. Rod you see is what holds up the head liner.

Randy
06-12-2017, 01:04 PM
hows this https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4200/35262350875_699334a7c0_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VJ1LoP)20170612_082000 (https://flic.kr/p/VJ1LoP) by Randy harsha (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126764621@N05/), on Flickr,,https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4260/34874885290_1d77e4b548_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/V8LUnG)20170612_081952 (https://flic.kr/p/V8LUnG) by Randy harsha (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126764621@N05/), on Flickr,,https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4236/35132147431_0a60133a9b_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VwvrrR)20170612_081908 (https://flic.kr/p/VwvrrR) by Randy harsha (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126764621@N05/), on Flickr

bird 60
06-12-2017, 08:21 PM
Thanks Randy, exactly what I wanted to see.
Wish you the best with your Resto.

Chris.....From OZ.

bird 60
06-13-2017, 10:29 PM
Hi, has anyone installed Port Windows on their '60 T. Bird.
If so, any pictures from inside & outside would be gratefully appreciated. My biggest worry is the Emblem holes, as they are very close to the Port window outer diameter size. The inner part of the Bird is the steel rod running dead smack in the middle that supports the roof lining. Any pix or suggestion greatly appreciated.( As of 1st July we're able to do certain modifications in South Australia.)

Thank You
Chris.....From OZ

Penelope
06-14-2017, 12:21 AM
Chris, there was member from Poland or Holland I think that had port holes in his rear pillars.... maybe Marco? Can anyone else remember his details?

Wyldie
06-14-2017, 12:28 AM
I have a set of complete portholes here in WA if you're​ interested, pretty sure they are foMoCo. Can check if you like

bird 60
06-14-2017, 01:46 AM
You're right Bill it is Marco, but his is a '58 & doesn't have the long T. Bird emblem. The '58 has a round, & the '59 has the small emblem & not in the centre.
When are you coming to Adelaide?

Chris.

bird 60
06-14-2017, 01:53 AM
Hi Michael, yes, I would be interested. Are they new? Is it a complete set with the in between gasket. Can you send pictures, & how much are we looking at.

Thank you.....Chris

Penelope
06-14-2017, 04:05 AM
You're right Bill it is Marco, but his is a '58 & doesn't have the long T. Bird emblem. The '58 has a round, & the '59 has the small emblem & not in the centre.
When are you coming to Adelaide?

Chris.

Ah, thats right!

Did a flash trip 2 weeks ago to see the Crows crush Fremantle, in Saturday and out Sunday....no time for anything unfortunately. I will be back in September for finals ( I hope :D) so I will let you know then, and we can just hope that its not a Power v Crows match or we might not want to catch up!!:eek:

YellowRose
06-14-2017, 04:41 AM
I can tell you this about Marco's '58 in the Netherlands with port hole windows. They were already installed in the car when he bought it and had it shipped to him. I know this because that Tbird came out of San Antonio, as I documented it for him. So he had nothing to do with installing them. Personally, I like the port hole look of the Babybirds, and also in the Squarebirds. Others may not, but I do.

bird 60
06-14-2017, 05:45 AM
Hi Ray, I think we both share similar, as you have customized your "ROSE" some what, in good taste of course. About the only 2 main things that I would be looking at, is the Port Windows & possibly the sequential rear indicators.
We haven't heard from Marco for awhile, I hope he's O.K.

Chris.....From OZ.

YellowRose
06-14-2017, 06:02 AM
Chris, it has been a few months since I last heard from Marco. He was okay, and busy with the family. Since you mentioned the sequential tail lights, as a reminder, that information is posted in the TRL. Here is the link to it.

http://www.squarebirds.org/sequential.htm

Also, the link to Web Electric Products is posted right below it. I think, the sequential unit you would need is the STS-1, according to Eric Jones, write up, but they can tell you for sure. You can get it with a control switch, or without one. I would think I would like to have the control switch. These sequential flashing units are still available from Web Electric Products, according to their website.

mh434
06-15-2017, 03:25 AM
A bit of early morning youtubing and I came across this 1960 with portholes. May be of use

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIHDu5vMHds

Jon

Wyldie
06-15-2017, 04:01 AM
No problems, I'll dig them out this weekend. Get back to you

Hi Michael, yes, I would be interested. Are they new? Is it a complete set with the in between gasket. Can you send pictures, & how much are we looking at.

Thank you.....Chris

bird 60
06-15-2017, 04:57 AM
Thanks Jon, that's pretty well what I have in mind, with the exception of 1'' to 1 1/2'' lower.

Chris.....From OZ.

bird 60
06-15-2017, 05:01 AM
Thanks Michael, I'll be waiting to hear from you.

Chris.

DKheld
06-15-2017, 10:01 AM
Geez - I have to pay $30 US for a yearly inspection in my state - the neighboring state has no inspections - you should see some of the junk people put on the road here.

Pics are still up of this car with the porthole window - exterior only I believe so can't see if it hits any structure.

https://dy98q4zwk7hnp.cloudfront.net/1960-Ford-Thunderbird--Car-100838523-7c27266c55cef3af79080dd5bbd6fa16.jpg?r=fit&w=440&s=1

Have a look at the weight on that back wheel - must be 4 pounds !

(edit - removed pics - too big so link below - appears to be the same one as in the video)

here is the link...
http://gatewayclassiccars.com/chicago/1960/ford/thunderbird-S1151.html

sidewalkman
06-15-2017, 02:06 PM
Geez - I have to pay $30 US for a yearly inspection in my state - the neighboring state has no inspections - you should see some of the junk people put on the road here.

Pics are still up of this car with the porthole window - exterior only I believe so can't see if it hits any structure.

https://dy98q4zwk7hnp.cloudfront.net/1960-Ford-Thunderbird--Car-100838523-7c27266c55cef3af79080dd5bbd6fa16.jpg?r=fit&w=440&s=1


Have a look at the weight on that back wheel - must be 4 pounds !

(edit - removed pics - too big so link below - appears to be the same one as in the video)

here is the link...
http://gatewayclassiccars.com/chicago/1960/ford/thunderbird-S1151.html

Not my thing, but they look about an inch too high to my eye

Tbird1044
06-15-2017, 03:40 PM
Scott:
I agree with you on the location. It was nice to see a picture of what they look like though. I was curious.
Nyles

YellowRose
06-15-2017, 05:30 PM
Here is what the port windows on Marco's '58 look like. You will see that they are lowered quite a bit than on the '60. They are not centered though, which I thought they were, but no. The modification to Marco's '58 was done by a previous owner, but not the owner here in San Antonio that Marco bought it from. Unfortunately, as I remember, the two previous owners before the one who sold it to Marco, have passed away. Here are a couple of pix.

bird 60
06-15-2017, 09:29 PM
Geez - I have to pay $30 US for a yearly inspection in my state - the neighboring state has no inspections - you should see some of the junk people put on the road here.

Pics are still up of this car with the porthole window - exterior only I believe so can't see if it hits any structure.

https://dy98q4zwk7hnp.cloudfront.net/1960-Ford-Thunderbird--Car-100838523-7c27266c55cef3af79080dd5bbd6fa16.jpg?r=fit&w=440&s=1

Have a look at the weight on that back wheel - must be 4 pounds !

(edit - removed pics - too big so link below - appears to be the same one as in the video)

here is the link...
http://gatewayclassiccars.com/chicago/1960/ford/thunderbird-S1151.html


Up until the new Law on Historic Vehicles, the cut off date was the 31st of January 1979. You had to be in a Car club to receive privileges. Cars were first inspected by the Motor Registrar at a cost of $220. If failed you had to go back again at a cost of $120. If you passed, & wanted Conditional Registration (90) days, The cost is $110 AU, for full Registration, 1 year close to $1,000. The onus was up to the Club Log Book Personal to check the cars to make sure that they stayed original, at no cost.

The changes now are...No 1979 cut off date, but must be over 30 year old....No inspections by your club, but left to the Police to pull you over if the Car doesn't look right or un-roadworthy. We're allowed Modifications, but if deemed Major eg., turning a Hard-Top into a Convertible, best to get approval first, etc.

Chris.....From OZ.

bird 60
06-15-2017, 10:06 PM
Hi Ray, to me that looks a lot better. It might not look center to the Chrome Bar, but diagonally it's pretty well in the center.
Unless I'm mistaken, the '58 Chrome Bar looks wider than the '60s. If someone has the '58, can you please measure the Width for me.

Thank You.
Chris......From OZ.

YellowRose
06-15-2017, 11:45 PM
As I recall the '58 and the '59 Chrome Bar are the same. My '59 is 3 inches high. They changed the style a bit in 1960, if I remember correctly.

Penelope
06-15-2017, 11:59 PM
Geez Chris, its good to see sanity has finally come to South Australia. My mate has a four door HQ Monaro GTS (GM Product to Americans) that will now receive a full blown upgrade on the 350...and no he isn't going to mention it to Motor Vehicles Department...

bird 60
06-16-2017, 12:04 AM
Thanks Ray, my '60 is 2 1/4". If I wanted mine to be in the same position as Marco's, I would have to raise it an extra 3/4'' from the Bar.

Chris.

YellowRose
06-16-2017, 12:42 AM
Chris, I got to thinking that I might have a picture of the inner C column section from when my interior guy took out all the old OEM material to replace it with the new interior material. I do! I have ONE picture taken of the C Column from inside the car. You will see how it is formed, and that there is insulation in the center of it. It is my thinking that if we had taken out that insulation, we would probably have seen nothing but the flat surface of the inside of the C column. But I do not know that for sure. Someone, like John ~ jopizz might very well know what is behind that insulation if he has ever taken it out during all the Squarebirds he has worked on. I do not think, (but do not know) that there is any rigid beams behind that. I think not though. Look at the picture and you can see the support channels underneath that insulation, sweep up the right side to the roof, and up the left to the roof. Here is the only picture I have. I suspect that the '58, '59 and the '60 were all made the same way. I hope this helps.

bird 60
06-16-2017, 01:37 AM
Thanks Ray, if you look at Anything Goes, I started a Thread there a couple of weeks ago, & Randy send a few pix from the inside of his '60, & it has & Rod there, which I believe it's for the Roof Liner. If you can, would you be kind enough to incorporate them together as it is about the same subject.

Thank You.....Chris.

Tbird1044
06-16-2017, 01:42 AM
Here's a picture of C column without insulation.
Nyles

bird 60
06-16-2017, 02:02 AM
Thanks Nyles, the picture tells the whole story. I think that even if I cut the top part of the Rod which would be in the way it wouldn't make any difference as the window would compensate. I may even have to delete some of the lower bracket to fit the window where I would like it to be. All in all it should be a straight forward job. I'm thinking of doing it all by myself with the exception of the liner. I'll get my Car upholsterer to finish it off.

Chris.....From OZ.

YellowRose
06-16-2017, 02:45 AM
Thanks to Nyles, I see something that is different in the '60 than in my '59. Mine did not have those thin bars across the top as the pic that Nyles posted does. It could be that they might have been there as a OEM item, but if so, someone in the past must have taken them out. I suspect that they are something that the engineers might have added in '60 and not have done in the '58 and '59. I would be interested to see what jopizz or Carl ~ partsetal have to say about this.

I will see if I can merge those two threads together. Ah! I did it right! I had forgotten that Randy had posted those pix for you and they showed that thin bar. I suspect that whoever added the port hole to Marco's '58 did not have that bar problem to contend with. Whoever did the port hole conversion for that '60 must have had it to contend with, and probably cut it out. They had to, to keep it from showing in the window! Hopefully, John or Carl can educate us on that subject!

jopizz
06-16-2017, 10:42 AM
Without those bars the headliner would not stay up. All three years had them. The only way I can see to do away with them is to glue some sort of cardboard to the roof and attach the headliner to that similar to modern cars.

John

YellowRose
06-16-2017, 12:48 PM
Hi John, thanks for confirming that those bars were in all three years of Squarebirds. It is entirely possible that they were also in mine, because I was not present when he took out the headliner to clean the crud off the roof. He did not start putting in the headliner until I could take pictures because I wanted to document what things looked like as he was taking out the old interior and he knew it. After I got my pix, then he started cleaning up the roof and processing it for the installation of a new headliner. I was also not there when he put in the new headliner. So it is possible that he took those bars off to clean the roof, and then put them back in when he was ready to install the new headliner...

jopizz
06-16-2017, 12:54 PM
The bars slip into pockets in the headliner so when you take the headliner out the bars usually come out with it.

John

Randy
06-16-2017, 10:10 PM
Hi Squares, Randy Here !yes my 60 and 59 same bars as john said, Nyles your bird is so swell even under head liner !! And as for the rods you can just put your finger on head liner and feel it, at least with me.
.port hole, I think Chris you have the right ideal cut the rod long tuck it some how with the help of the port hole. (my 2 penny)

Randy
06-16-2017, 10:24 PM
I always like the port hole look, My favorite was in the Town Car,
and I think its was in other ford Two, The Elite or LTD something like that , what say Dave where all they put the oval-opera window ports.??https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4235/35168961562_c5510846e1_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VzL81f)port opera window (https://flic.kr/p/VzL81f) by Randy harsha (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126764621@N05/), on Flickr....................https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4211/34492447414_7ac0e051e7_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UxYNVd)1978-Lincoln-Mark-V-DJ-blue-g (https://flic.kr/p/UxYNVd) by Randy harsha (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126764621@N05/), on Flickr...... the Mrak had them.

Randy
06-16-2017, 11:41 PM
Nice Merge Ray.!

bird 60
07-01-2017, 02:18 AM
Hi, for those that have Baby birds with Port Windows.
What is the the actual diameter that is required to be cut, to accommodate the external Ring. This is hoping that someone is restoring theirs, & has the Port Windows removed.

Thank you.....Chris From OZ.