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Djweaz
05-10-2017, 03:24 AM
here is a fun one. I have this diagram for hooking up my tail, brake & signals. would be great if thw wires had not been painted on or just where genurally discolored anybody have a different diagram? though it would still probably be of no use lol. feel like Im cracking a safe. one time i had all four lit with headlights on even got one brake light (drivers side inner) then my battery died because you have to have the lights on to test them. checking brake lights are a bear by yourself so i think I am goint to bting a mirror out behind the car.

simplyconnected
05-10-2017, 01:10 PM
I'm looking for a question, Rob. I see three identical wiring diagrams but no real question. Wiring in the trunk normally holds its color because it is not exposed to sunlight or engine heat.

I'd like to help but I don't know what you need.

Djweaz
05-10-2017, 03:45 PM
So you are seeing the graphics? Some people say they aren't seeing it. Not really a question just a frustration. I've been trying to clean them off a little to see what color they once were. Looks like they got painted in the respray because they are white.

jopizz
05-10-2017, 03:58 PM
I've been there before with the painted wires. Some lacquer thinner will take it right off. A mirror behind your car is a must when troubleshooting brake light problems.

John

YellowRose
05-10-2017, 04:01 PM
Rob, I have not been able to talk with Dave to see if he is actually seeing your graphics. I am not, nor is Eric ~ DKheld, or Steve ~ Yadkin. If you can shoot me your phone number, I can call you and walk you through this. Or you can call me at my number, 210-674-5781. I will be here for a little bit longer, but have to make a short trip out shortly.

Ickaber
05-10-2017, 04:17 PM
Rob, I have not been able to talk with Dave to see if he is actually seeing your graphics.

If the "graphics" are the wiring diagrams, Dave mentioned in his post that he sees them. I am also able to see them.

DKheld
05-10-2017, 04:59 PM
Maybe it's a Mozilla thing (problem) that's the browser I'm using rather than Internet Explorer etc. Shows that it should be a jpeg (.jpg). Usually don't have any trouble seeing those.

YellowRose
05-10-2017, 05:07 PM
I tried four different browsers and his graphic would not come up on any one of them. Apparently, he is using the [ATTACH] and a graphic id number statement in the text (I took it out and replaced the graphic from the Manage Attachments feature below the text box) and that is causing the problem it seems. Dave sent me the graphic file and once I added it from the Paid Members Additional Options section, Manage Attachments and uploaded it, it came up for me. After I took out the [ATTACH] statement..

DKheld
05-10-2017, 05:23 PM
Yep - see it now.

scumdog
05-10-2017, 09:27 PM
I've been there before with the painted wires. Some lacquer thinner will take it right off. A mirror behind your car is a must when troubleshooting brake light problems.

John

I use an appropriate length of 2"X1" timber wedged between the brake pedal and the front of the drivers seat.
I have an electric seat so once I have the wood in place I can push the button to move the seat forward enough to make the brake lights come on.
That way there's no twisting around, putting mirrors in place etc plus you can see if ALL the bulbs are working.

NB:
I padded the end of the wood with a folded rag taped onto the wood to minimise any chance of damaging the seat.

jopizz
05-10-2017, 09:35 PM
I like using a mirror because you can see exactly how much foot pressure it takes to turn the lights off and on.

John

Djweaz
05-11-2017, 06:50 PM
Sorry Ray, I've just logged on. I didn't get out of bed yesterday as I was in too much pain and had to have my arm back in a sling it's strange that to some people it's seen and others aren't able to see it. I did it the same way as you showed me by using manage attachments. On the second post where there should be 2 I did one from attach and the other from manage attachments my number is615-861-0946 you can give me a call when you are able to I'm in the garage messing with the lights or getting ready to rather

Rob





Rob, I have not been able to talk with Dave to see if he is actually seeing your graphics. I am not, nor is Eric ~ DKheld, or Steve ~ Yadkin. If you can shoot me your phone number, I can call you and walk you through this. Or you can call me at my number, 210-674-5781. I will be here for a little bit longer, but have to make a short trip out shortly.

Djweaz
05-11-2017, 06:53 PM
Hey John, I'm going to try something different today going to close my garage door down to see just how well that works. My wife bought me a scweegy or how ever they are spelled. It's adjustable so I can fit it right in and tighten it to the length it needs to be at and put the scweegy part on the pedal. Works really well. I like using a mirror because you can see exactly how much foot pressure it takes to turn the lights off and on.

John

Djweaz
05-11-2017, 06:55 PM
That's also a good way you have to think outside the box when it comes to stuff like this and you are the only person around. I use an appropriate length of 2"X1" timber wedged between the brake pedal and the front of the drivers seat.
I have an electric seat so once I have the wood in place I can push the button to move the seat forward enough to make the brake lights come on.
That way there's no twisting around, putting mirrors in place etc plus you can see if ALL the bulbs are working.

NB:
I padded the end of the wood with a folded rag taped onto the wood to minimise any chance of damaging the seat.

Djweaz
05-11-2017, 06:58 PM
That is a good one Ray because when I did it both ways I saw the attach and the number of the picture file I actually went to my computer to do it and uploaded it from there. I tried four different browsers and his graphic would not come up on any one of them. Apparently, he is using the [ATTACH] and a graphic id number statement in the text (I took it out and replaced the graphic from the Manage Attachments feature below the text box) and that is causing the problem it seems. Dave sent me the graphic file and once I added it from the Paid Members Additional Options section, Manage Attachments and uploaded it, it came up for me. After I took out the [ATTACH] statement..

Djweaz
05-11-2017, 07:04 PM
Ickaber and DK are you able to see them from the original post and the second post that I put both into one post? Also I did find an actual question in this. In the diagram the wiring for the drivers side lights they have a color that each wire is to be but there looks to be an arrow beside it I'm not quite sure if it is or not. If it does have an arrow the second wire would be the Green W/ orange tracer and the first wire doesn't have a wire color. And that won't work that way

simplyconnected
05-11-2017, 07:45 PM
...In the diagram the wiring for the drivers side lights they have a color that each wire is to be but there looks to be an arrow beside it I'm not quite sure if it is or not. If it does have an arrow the second wire would be the Green W/ orange tracer and the first wire doesn't have a wire color. And that won't work that way Does your car have backup lights? Some Squarebirds came without backup lights.

If you follow the first wire, the one with no color, you will discover it feeds the backup lights

The diagram shows, Green-Orange feeds the Left Hand stop/turn signal lamp. Also notice, there is a bullet connector shown for that wire at the LH lamp.

Wire colors can be read in two ways. Green-Orange can mean the wire is green with an orange trace OR the wire can be solid green with an orange connector. Pay close attention to the connector colors and this scheme will start to make sense to you. Post pictures, and let's see what you have. - Dave

Ickaber
05-11-2017, 09:02 PM
Ickaber and DK are you able to see them from the original post and the second post that I put both into one post?

I was able to see all three yesterday before the change. I'm using Chrome.

Yadkin
05-11-2017, 09:14 PM
I see the OP graphic now, and I'm using Chrome.

Djweaz
05-11-2017, 09:25 PM
Thanks I will try this when I get home. I had all 4 tail lights as of when I left and started out having the far left light with a turn signal and the passenger inner with a turn signal I was able to get them fed so that now it's on both far side lights. I don't know if all 4 are supposed to light or not, also I do have one reverse light that is hooked up the drivers side only has the wires for it. While I'm out I'm going to hit the parts store and see if I can find one. For the drivers side. As of now I put that wire out of the way for now so that I can worry about it later. In doing the switching of the wires some times I get a super bright light and I unplug it because something is wrong with it or maybe it is plugged in as a brake light. Because as of. Ow I have no brakes. The last time I worked with it a couple of days ago I had one brake light and it was center drivers side.



Does your car have backup lights? Some Squarebirds came without backup lights.

If you follow the first wire, the one with no color, you will discover it feeds the backup lights

The diagram shows, Green-Orange feeds the Left Hand stop/turn signal lamp. Also notice, there is a bullet connector shown for that wire at the LH lamp.

Wire colors can be read in two ways. Green-Orange can mean the wire is green with an orange trace OR the wire can be solid green with an orange connector. Pay close attention to the connector colors and this scheme will start to make sense to you. Post pictures, and let's see what you have. - Dave

simplyconnected
05-11-2017, 10:27 PM
You have a classic grounding problem. Stretch a wire from your battery (NEG) to the lamp housings. Turn a signal on and dig your ground wire into the lamp housing that DOESN'T work. Make sure your lamps are not burned out, first.

You should see one outer turn signal on each side as the diagram shows. The inner lamps are also stop but not turn signals.

Use your ground 'test wire' to prove each lamp holder. - Dave

Djweaz
05-12-2017, 12:30 AM
Ok this is where I am tonight and came in on a triumph moment and knew that I better leave it alone until hopefully tomorrow. I have all 4 taillights working, I have both outer turn signals working and have outer brake lights working,I believe I can jumper them across to make them all work drivers side reverse light wasn't there I bought a new one but it was to small. The passenger reverse was lighting but stayed on as long as the tail lights were on.

So I could actually get it on the road if need be, but the steering ram is out and trying to get it down just a little bit more so I can get the whole cir-clip in the groove. I had to actually did out the oem blue seal no amount of pressure was bringing it or the furthest in seal.


You have a classic grounding problem. Stretch a wire from your battery (NEG) to the lamp housings. Turn a signal on and dig your ground wire into the lamp housing that DOESN'T work. Make sure your lamps are not burned out, first.

You should see one outer turn signal on each side as the diagram shows. The inner lamps are also stop but not turn signals.

Use your ground 'test wire' to prove each lamp holder. - Dave

simplyconnected
05-12-2017, 12:54 AM
Do NOT jumper more turn signal lights. The flasher unit is designed to run one front lamp, one rear lamp and the dash lamp. Any more load will make the flasher run too fast and the directional switch in your steering column is not heavy duty.

Paint on trunk wires can be removed to reveal the colors so follow the wiring diagram to the letter.

Reverse lights are controlled by the neutral/reverse safety switch on the steering column. This makes sense because backup lights only shine IF your car came with that type of steering column switch as an 'extra-cost' option. Just because your lens is white means very little.

You mentioned nothing about your wire colors. - Dave