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Rockin Kev
08-03-2004, 09:14 PM
Hi Everyone,
Here is some news and some updates on the power sunroof that was posted in the ODDITYS page on this website.
I purchased this whole roof!, Dave and Paul of New Hampshire went out with a power hacksaw and trunk and trailer and got the lot for me.
Once they had it home i then sat about trying to find a way to ship it to England (i must have been mad in the mine at the time)
Then a stroke of luck, we had posted on the For Sale forum here a lovely white 430 Sunroof in Boston MA so i purchased that beast so Bang! went the new kitchen and bathroom for our home.
Dave then drove to Boston and put the roof section in the Trunk of my new Bird before the car was shipped to England. This involve countless phonecalls on where he should cut the metal and not what to cut so it would fit in the Trunk. The day came for me to travel up to London to collect the new T-Bird and drive the 280 mile trip home with the roof section inside the trunk as this was the first time i drove a 430 car it was just the power i needed but the fuel bill i did not.
The roof section was takin out and layed on the floor to see what goe's where and looking at the manual roof there is hardly any difference, even the side rails screw in the same place and all holes match up. The main difference is the front of the opening where the drive section sits but this section can be weld in place same with some other parts its just a case of cleaning then painting afterwards. The new T-Bird will be going to a well established company in London with a Gentleman who has been involve with these old sunroofs for over 45 years. I have spoken with him alot and he did confirm the power roof is genuine! Golde roof and he has the blue prints for this roof and the numbers all match the one i have just purchased.
Golde as we know held the patents on the roof and the power roof has the same opening as the manual one 43x19 inch opening (approx)
looking at the roof and the way it was made and fitted to the car it had to be factory fitted so did Golde visit Wixom to fit it or was the conversion done later but this scrap car did leave wixom in 1960 a Golde top for sure.
I will be posting photos in about 4 weeks on my members site of the whole process from manual to power roof and shots of my other Golde Top.
Dave in NEW Hampshire took some stick from some fellow T-Bird clubs about his fined and that he was a liar and Ford did not make a power roof.
Well to those who did your Right! Ford did no power roof but they did not do the manual roof either, Golde did! and i am glad i made the purchase and now will soon have written confirmation on the parts and the part numbers. But as this roof is from Europe i would have access to more information on them and the company Golde, in fact it will be fitted by a time served Golde sunroof installer at his company.
The moral in the story here is dont slag someone off about there fined until its been fully checked out as i have wiring diagram here for the power trunk release for a 60 T-Bird but i have never seen one but that dont mean it was not avaible same goes for the power locks too.
Thanks for reading and this whole process has made me a good friend in America who just wanted this roof back in a car and not in a breakers yard. Dave is a Ford fan and owns a Fully Loaded and mint condition 59 Retractable, which i do like.
Kevin 60 430 Golde Top
60 352 Golde Top
Thunderbirds of England.

Alexander
08-03-2004, 10:07 PM
Kevin,

It is great how you are documenting this exciting find. Gratefully Dave and Paul gave me the VIN number of the car that originally had this roof, so that bit of information will not be lost.

From what I understand, the front part of the roof opening is different on this car and it looks like it always was like this, not just patched in.

http://www.squarebirds.org/power_golde_top/sunroof-forward.jpg

I look forward to seeing more pictures of this roof and its components.

Alexander
1959 Hardtop
1960 Golde Top

Rockin Kev
08-04-2004, 01:16 PM
Alex,
The front part is different but was not patched in from what i can see but could have been done by Golde contractor (ASC) specialist 45 years ago.
The stamped panel that house's the manual roof is the same on the power roof too. the underside of the sliding panel on the power roof is different as it has a curve in it to match up with the hump on the front lip of the roof. and has the lifting catches to lift the back of the panel in line with the rest of the roof BUT STILL RETAINS THE ROUND HIGH LEVERS
Talking with the sunroof restorer here in England he has mention to me that Golde would have not gone to great expense in the old days on the difference between the manual and power roof because of tooling costs.
I can't wait to see the finish product as you know the 430 Sunroof i purchased is just loaded with everything you would want and the power roof is just a nice toy to play with. However it would be better on safe driving to have the power roof as the switch is mounted on the drivers dog leg beside the windsheild washer switch. You would not need to stretch you right arm just use your left index finger.
As you know on your own sunroof the front panel is weled in the the stamp panel, just look on the corners you will see the gap and small blobs of weld. Perhaps this is how Golde offered a power roof or the cheaper manual one.
I think we will never know if it left wixom power operated or not but i will sure keep trying to find out as the last know power roof was found in 1973!
Kev.

Alexander
08-04-2004, 01:48 PM
By round high lever, I assume you mean these pieces:

http://www.squarebirds.org/sunroof_lever.jpg

If you have any pictures of the roof now, please e-mail them to me, I can post them.

Alexander
1959 Hardtop
1960 Golde Top

SandyBoy
08-04-2004, 02:36 PM
I don't think that you really mean to say "ASC". ASC {American Sun Roof} was founded in 1967, and that would be just 36 years ago. Their very first Sun Roof went into the 1967 Mercury Cougar, and a tiny handfull of 1967 Mustangs, for VIPs.

Alexander
08-04-2004, 02:56 PM
I am not sure if Kevin is trying to say that Golde sold the rights to its technology to ASC, or if they merged with ASC, or if they became ASC. I know that Mr. Golde eventually went into the ultrasonic welding business http://www.staplaultrasonics.com/company.htm .

Alexander
1959 Hardtop
1960 Golde Top

Rockin Kev
08-04-2004, 07:57 PM
Sandy,
The rights were sold off to ASC and the Rockwell company that join forces with Golde..both no longer are around.
The company Golde deal with are in the link that Alex has posted however, Golde products can be found with the Meritor and Webasto sunroof corparations now.
Kev.

Rockin Kev
08-04-2004, 08:03 PM
Also ASC were found in the late sixties but sub companys and craftmen went under there arm for future work and contracts. The post i put about the 45 year gap would promp question but this is what i meant in my previous post so i am sorry but i hope you now know what i meant.
This power roof is a great find! and i would say it will not be found again so this is a great input to the Squarebird.org website.
Kev.

Rockin Kev
08-04-2004, 08:31 PM
Sandy,
I would be interested to know the exact year ASC was Established as i have conflicting written documents here in various books about the company.
From what i see the company did not get its act fully intact until 64-65 but were trading 5 years before but not at a great scale. I have books here stating that some Golde tops left Wixom to have the Golde roof put in at ASC sub contractors, and some saying Wixom had there own producting line for the Golde Tops. I would say the company did not get realy going until mid to late sixties as some sunroof installers were formed in the early sixties but did not last the pace and died hence possible some confusion with start dates of some company.
Kev.

SandyBoy
08-04-2004, 08:49 PM
This is where I get my information from - regarding ASC (American Sunroof Corp.) and there other subsidyaries (I know, spelt wrong), but I just came from Eye Dr, and have drops in my eyes and can't see anything! Actually 3 hours ago, and I'm still blurry.... any how...

Aeromotive Systems Corp. & Automotive Specialty Corporation.

www.ascglobal.com/profile/history.htm

I only know what they tell on that site. Things not told, I have no clue.:(

Rockin Kev
08-05-2004, 09:39 AM
Sandy
Thank you for making the effort to reply soon considering your eyes so thank you. I have owned two British classic cars in the past both had Sunroofs one by Golde and one by Webasto. I have collected information on these company and other now for sometime. The 64 Zodiac i had was fitted with a Golde roof and i have never seen another here with that and a Wabasto in my 1961 Consul Capri both cars were made by Ford of Britain. So in time i have grown to like Sunroof cars as Air Con is a waste of time here you may get to use it about once a month. The 60 T-Bird has been the only real American Ford i have wanted and when i purchased my first and was told it was a sunroof car i knew what it was, but the seller did not!.
I am away from my pc now for 4 days as i need to go to work but will check the web link you sent when i am home.
Kev.

Rockin Kev
08-05-2004, 09:44 AM
Sandy,
Just had a quick look at the site you posted and Mr Pretzer was on Golde design studio i will try find something on him to link with Golde but i have seen his name before ..well before ASC i think Pretzer went out on his own as of a disagreement with the Golde Family but i will check.
Kev.

SandyBoy
08-05-2004, 09:56 AM
Heinz Prechter founded ASC in America in California, in 1965. Allthough a mega-millionaire with everything to live for, he suffered his life with acute depression (go figure)...
and ultimately comitted suicide in his home in 2001. In 2002 American SunRoof Corporation (ASC) and all of it's other companies, and plants worldwide were sold off to a company called Questor (Or something very close to that spelling). When you get a chance to, read over the entire ASC site. It's pretty remarkable what 1 man built.

Rockin Kev
08-07-2004, 08:18 PM
Hi Sandy,
I hope your eyesight is better as you must look after them boy or your stuffed.
Heinz Prechter was educated at the same school as Dr Golde (Golde Sunroof) Son and these too were good friends. Heinz would learn good sunroof knowledge from the family but went on to CA to make his fortune but did respect the Golde family as they did help him on some of his knowledge and the son went on to control the family firm before the Rockwell days.
Kev.

sunroofghia
09-13-2004, 03:19 PM
Hi everyone,
First off, very nice site and excellent info.Rockin Kev, does your friend have any printed info on the golde roof? Great stuff so far,Thanks.
I do not own a t-bird but I do own a golde sunroof.
Mine is installed in a 72 VW Karmann Ghia (i followed alexander here from a link he left on the samba site) and it is POWER!
The picture of the gear housing on the above t-bird is an electric geartrain housing.
I just wanted to say hi and say this is the best place on the internet for Golde sunroof information. Keep up the good work.
Scott
72 sunroof ghia
65 fiat 600D

Alexander
09-13-2004, 08:57 PM
Thanks for the compliment of the site.

I am sure people here woud love to see some pictures of your car and its power Golde Top.

Alexander
1959 Hardtop
1960 Golde Top

SandyBoy
09-14-2004, 09:26 AM
Okay, I am confused. The Sun Roof installed on the 1960 Thunderbirds, was it power operated or a manual crank or knob to turn? I am talking of when the car was new, and arrived via truck at the dealers. I just assumed that they were power, now...I am not so sure.

Alexander
09-14-2004, 11:40 AM
The $212 option for 1960 was for a manually operated sunroof made by Golde. It is not a crank operated roof. All that needs to be done is to twist the knob in the front of the roof and pull it bck and then twist again to lock it in place. Golde also made power operated roofs for the aftermaket at the time. Apparently one or more 1960 Thunderbirds were built with power cable operated sunroofs. I just got an e-mail the other day from a gentleman telling me he had owned a power operated sunroof on a 1960 Thunderbird.

Alexander
1959 Hardtop
1960 Golde Top

SandyBoy
09-14-2004, 12:01 PM
Is there any paperwork indicating the possibilty of a 2nd upgrade. Such as:-

Sun Roof ............. $ 212.00
Power Sun Roof .....$ xxx.xx

It's possible - any such documentation ?

Alexander
09-14-2004, 12:55 PM
As far as I know nothing of the sort exists. It is unfortunate that the ROT sheet of the power sunroof Thunderbird has not been found. Surely it would show a different code or special written instruction for a power sunroof.

I wonder if Kevin found the computer punch card in the roof. Perhaps it might provide some verification.

Alexander
1959 Hardtop
1960 Golde Top

Alexander
09-15-2004, 07:44 PM
This is a Ford publicity picture of how easy it is to use the manual sunroof on a Thunderbird. Who needs a power sunroof, when the manual one can be operated by a young lady with one finger?

http://www.squarebirds.org/images/golde_top.jpg
$212 option in 1960 (babe not included)

Alexander
1959 Hardtop
1960 Golde Top

SandyBoy
09-15-2004, 09:43 PM
......... BUT, she had to remove her white gloves to do it!! (Dirty button obviously!) ;-)

Rockin Kev
09-17-2004, 10:07 PM
Sandy,
As you know at the end of the month the car will be ready with the power roof fitted. I will try to see if the installer has any price plans for the power option.
Alex please forward that e-mail from the guy who had the power one years ago, would love to talk to that guy.
Kev.

Alexander
09-21-2004, 10:30 PM
The fellow found a picture of the car. It turns out his memeory of the car was a little fuzzy. It did have a power operated roof but it was a convertible.

Alexander
1959 Hardtop
1960 Golde Top

SandyBoy
10-12-2004, 05:32 PM
Have you all seen this? Prepare to drool;)

http://www.tbird.org/gallery/gallery/kharkema.htm

Rockin Kev
10-12-2004, 07:30 PM
Hi Sandy,
Yes i have seen this one off the T-Bird site, have you seen Kens new one a Turquise and white GOLDE TOP with two tone turquise vinyl,
Hang on !!! i got a get a cloth to wipe up the drool from the floor.
Kev.

SandyBoy
10-12-2004, 08:31 PM
Nu ?

Alexander
10-13-2004, 09:54 AM
I would like to see a picture of Ken's new Golde Top or of your power Golde Top, for that matter.

Ken's car must look like the one in the brochure, except for the interior. Does he still have the original blonde the car was equipped with?

http://www.squarebirds.org/1960-TBird-SR-brochure-600.jpg

Alexander
1959 Hardtop
1960 Golde Top