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Robert Wadman
12-03-2013, 09:45 AM
I'm a new member of Squarebirds. I'm in the process of restoring a 1959 Thunderbird Convertible with two "Js' in the VIN. The previous owner replaced the 430 engine with a 352. I'm attempting to restore my car as close to original as possible. I have a 1962 430 MEL motor. Will this motor fit in my car? I'm having problems figuring out the motor mounts. Any suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Bob

simplyconnected
12-03-2013, 10:49 AM
I believe the 430 motor mounts were welded over the 352 mounts at the factory. You may see evidence that someone burned them off of your #2 crossmember. They are definitely different in bolt pattern and configuration.

I do not know who has crossmember mounts for the 430, maybe some of our vendors who keep a stock of boneyard Squarebirds. Otherwise, you can make them yourself if you can weld and cut steel. With a little paint afterward, nobody will know the difference. - Dave

YellowRose
12-03-2013, 11:20 AM
Carl Heller ~ partsetal, on here, has Squarebird parts and parts cars. He might have what you need. Send him a Private Message (PM) or perhaps he will see this and respond. You can find all our Tbird parts vendors in the Advertisements Forum. Contact the Bird House in Delaware, and the Bird Nest in Oregon. They have parts cars also.

jopizz
12-03-2013, 01:52 PM
Here's a picture of the right side mount. As Dave mentioned you should see evidence that it was removed. This is the thread where I found the picture. There are more.
http://squarebirds.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4590

John

partsetal
12-03-2013, 03:05 PM
I just picked up a Sun Roof that someone had cut away the mounts and installed a 390, so I'll be doing the same install in the Spring. The SR came with a rebuilt 430 and the mounts. I do have an extra set of mounts from a previous parts car plus another set in a car waiting for dismantling. What about transmission mounts?
Carl

Robert Wadman
12-03-2013, 11:05 PM
My second question relates to the 1962 lincoln engine. Will it work as a replacement for the original 430?
Bob

Robert Wadman
12-03-2013, 11:16 PM
From the picture submitted to my post, I have the correct 430 motor mounts. My problem is the motor mounts on the block of my 1962 Lincoln 430 motor. Is it possible to use a 1962 Lincoln 430 block with 1959 Thunderbird 430 motor mounts. My 1962 Lincoln 430 motor doesn't appear to work. Any ideas or suggestions? Bob

YellowRose
12-03-2013, 11:39 PM
Dave took the pictures that Jon ~tbird430 had posted and created a web page with them. I just posted that information in the Technical Resource Library for future users to have. You will find it in the Engine and Engine Bay section of the TRL under the 430MEL Engine info. Thanks John, Jon and Dave for bringing it to our attention. The link to the TRL is always right below my signature element. Can anyone answer Roberts question regarding his 1962 430MEL engine? I moved this to the 430MEL Engine Forum since it appears to be the place for it.

jopizz
12-04-2013, 12:31 AM
From the picture submitted to my post, I have the correct 430 motor mounts. My problem is the motor mounts on the block of my 1962 Lincoln 430 motor. Is it possible to use a 1962 Lincoln 430 block with 1959 Thunderbird 430 motor mounts. My 1962 Lincoln 430 motor doesn't appear to work. Any ideas or suggestions? Bob

Yes, the '62 Lincoln 430 block is the same. You will have to use the Thunderbird motor mounts instead of the Lincoln ones.

John

simplyconnected
12-04-2013, 01:40 AM
My second question relates to the 1962 lincoln engine. Will it work as a replacement for the original 430?
BobI only know of one 430 MEL engine. Whether Lincoln used a different motor mount than Ford, I don't know. The block holes should be the same. I can give you the part number for the Thunderbird 430 mount but not the Lincoln.

Check out the link Yellowrose just posted in the TRL. (or CLICK HERE (http://www.squarebirds.org/Engine/430Mounts/mounts.htm)) I added an illustration that should help you. If picture #5 doesn't appear, hit F5 on your keyboard to refresh the screen. - Dave

jopizz
12-04-2013, 12:15 PM
I only know of one 430 MEL engine. Whether Lincoln used a different motor mount than Ford, I don't know. The block holes should be the same. I can give you the part number for the Thunderbird 430 mount but not the Lincoln.


According to the Rock Auto catalog Lincoln used the same two bolt motor mount from 58-68 as was used on the FE blocks. The Thunderbird 430 mount is N/A in their catalog.

John

partsetal
12-04-2013, 12:34 PM
Kultulz would be able to provide better information, but here is what I can recall: The 430 block came out in 1958 and it only had provisions for the forward mounts which are not listed in any catalog. These are the mounts found on the 59-60 Thunderbird. Sometime in 61 they added the center mount provisions and it is these that are compatible with the FE mounts used on the Squarebirds. As the 430 evolved into the 462 the forward mounts were dropped and only the center ones remained. More details can be found by searching thru: http://ford-mel-engine.com/
Carl

GTE427
12-04-2013, 01:29 PM
Picture of a 1960 430 from a thunderbird. Notice TBird style forward motor mount, the block also has provisions for the traditional mounts used on FE's.

Robert Wadman
12-04-2013, 08:05 PM
Dave:
The pictures were a great help. I need the top motor mount bracket that attaches to the 430 engine block and the top of the motor mount. I need that bracket for both sides of my 430 MEL engine.
Bob

simplyconnected
12-04-2013, 08:10 PM
I just picked up a Sun Roof that someone had cut away the mounts and installed a 390, so I'll be doing the same install in the Spring. The SR came with a rebuilt 430 and the mounts. I do have an extra set of mounts from a previous parts car plus another set in a car waiting for dismantling. What about transmission mounts?
Carl

Dave:
The pictures were a great help. I need the top motor mount bracket that attaches to the 430 engine block and the top of the motor mount. I need that bracket for both sides of my 430 MEL engine.
Bob
You guys need to bump heads. Carl has been a highly valued parts supplier for many years. Many times he comes through, when nobody else can. - Dave

Robert Wadman
12-05-2013, 09:15 PM
I think I have figured out what I need. It is the motor mount bracket that attaches to the 430 engine block. I have found part number B9S-6028-A. Is this correct? From the photos sent regarding my initial questions, I can see that the motor mount to frame is B9S-6030-A. If my research is correct, I would like to buy two B9S-6028-A motor mount brackets.
Bob

jopizz
12-05-2013, 09:29 PM
Yes you have the correct part number for the bracket. The motor mount is actually B9S-6038-A.

John